Nuclear Family vs Extended Family

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Re: Nuclear Family vs Extended Family

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Szdfan wrote:Maybe it would help to define what a “nuclear family” is because it’s my impression that it’s a rather new term describing a rather new social family structure.

When I read Scripture, I don’t see it describe families that are one husband + one wife + children. When Scripture depicts families, it often describes one husband + multiple wives + concubines + children + servants + slaves + elderly parents + other dependent relations. In other words, it describes the expansive, multigenerational “household” that I read Brooks saying we lost when industrialized society defined family as just parents and kids.
New Testament scripture clearly describes an ideal Christian leader as being the husband of one wife, with children who are not unruly.

No polygamy and no mention of “extended family” (i.e. grandparents stuck raising the kids of single moms).
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RZehr

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Szdfan wrote:Maybe it would help to define what a “nuclear family” is because it’s my impression that it’s a rather new term describing a rather new social family structure.

When I read Scripture, I don’t see it describe families that are one husband + one wife + children. When Scripture depicts families, it often describes one husband + multiple wives + concubines + children + servants + slaves + elderly parents + other dependent relations. In other words, it describes the expansive, multigenerational “household” that I read Brooks saying we lost when industrialized society defined family as just parents and kids.
Brooks is directly attacking the one husband, one wife, plus children model, which is the model for Christians.
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RZehr wrote:
Szdfan wrote:Maybe it would help to define what a “nuclear family” is because it’s my impression that it’s a rather new term describing a rather new social family structure.

When I read Scripture, I don’t see it describe families that are one husband + one wife + children. When Scripture depicts families, it often describes one husband + multiple wives + concubines + children + servants + slaves + elderly parents + other dependent relations. In other words, it describes the expansive, multigenerational “household” that I read Brooks saying we lost when industrialized society defined family as just parents and kids.
Brooks is directly attacking the one husband, one wife, plus children model, which is the model for Christians.
I did not read that at all. I read him as criticizing the abandonment of extended family by Americans. Everyone going off to their own segregated nuclear family without grandparents, cousins, aunts, uncles, etc. around. Amish families pretty much live the Brooksian ideal. As do most Latin American families. It is only Post-WW2 Americans who are affluent enough to live the segregated life away from extended family.
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He is decrying that, true. But to suggest the solution can be found by circumventing the immediate family is patently absurd.
He doesn’t like the trend we are on, but he proposes to accelerate it by suggesting alternatives, instead of correcting it by returning to the natural system that God designed and what naturally produces what the writer misses.
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HondurasKeiser

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RZehr wrote:He is decrying that, true. But to suggest the solution can be found by circumventing the immediate family is patently absurd.
He doesn’t like the trend we are on, but he proposes to accelerate it by suggesting alternatives, instead of correcting it by returning to the natural system that God designed and what naturally produces what the writer misses.
I don't read him as suggesting that we circumvent the immediate family. Rather, that the American/Western ideal is, sociologically speaking, a rather new construct; itself the result of demographic and economic changes in wider society about 100 years ago. We can debate his analysis of history or his sloppy use of "nuclear family" that fails to distinguish between pair-bonding (a phenomenon as old as time) and the American/Western version of it in the 20th Century; and one of the articles critiquing his that I linked to does just that. Nevertheless, it seems eminently evident that the fragile construct of the American nuclear family thrived mid-century under unique social conditions and that as those social conditions fell apart, so too did the unique style of family. The problem of course is that the atomizing and individualizing social forces of the 20th Century not only gutted the American version of the nuclear family, it also made returning to older, more ancient forms of family incredibly difficult.

If you're interested in such things - writer and demographer, Jonathon V. Last wrote a book a few years ago about population decline: What to Expect When No One's Expecting: America's Coming Demographic Disaster. I just listened to a fascinating interview of him by Bill Kristol. An interesting corollary to Brooks's thesis is Last's assertion that the Baby Boom of mid-century was completely unforeseeable but that when we look back on the social and economic conditions that gave rise to it, it makes perfect sense. Those were the same social and economic conditions that gave rise to the American ideal of the aspirational nuclear family of Father-Mother & 2.4 children. Just as the nuclear family began to disintegrate then, as those unique socio-economic conditions of the 1940's-1960's began to break down, so too did the fertility rate; declining from a high of 3.77 to the current all-time low of 1.73. What's curious to me is that as the social conditions of the 40's-60's were swept away, neither the family nor the fertility rate snapped back to something like pre-1940. Nor did their decline plateau and reach a sort of stasis. They've both continued to decline and precipitously so. None of this is to say that social forces are destiny at the individual level or that they excuse a rejection of human nature and God's ideal for man. Rather we must recognize them for what they are, the dangers or advantages they pose to our communities of faith and how they affect how we are able to visualize what is normal or even possible.
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Dan Z

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Josh wrote:More specifically, David Brook's first wife converted to Judaism so that she could marry him and was by his side for 28 years. They met when they were students at university. She changed her name from Jane to Sarah as part of her conversion.

They divorced 7 years ago, and then he married his research assistant who is 23 years younger than he is.

This person has no place talking about "family" to anyone, other than as an example of what not to do. If you want to understand the reasons for family breakdown - look no further than David Brooks' selfishness. He needs to repent, accept the gospel, and reconcile with his first wife, and apologise in sackcloth and ashes to his second "wife".

"Whosever divorces his wife, except for fornication, and marries another, commits adultery with her."
That's sad. :(

Well...another bubble burst - seems to be my lot these days. :roll:

In general I like Brooks' thinking a lot...one of the more rational voices out there IMO - but this little tidbit certainly weakens his moral voice for me.
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Re: Nuclear Family vs Extended Family

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I see family made up of three layers:

1). Nuclear (immediate) family
2). Extended blood family
3). Church family

In a functioning Anabaptist society, all three layers think communally rather than individualistic. They think what is best for the group. They pray for the group. They decide collectively. They make future plans, collectively together. They support each other the same as they would at any of the three layers. Everyone helps everyone. They socialise together. This is what God intended.

Extended family alone, is not enough. Church family must be included to return to the 'ideal'.
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