Is Trump legally qualified to be a presidential candidate?

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Re: Is Trump legally qualified to be a presidential candidate?

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Grace wrote: Fri May 03, 2024 8:03 am
Bootstrap wrote: Fri May 03, 2024 7:48 am
If there's any evidence of that at all, it should be investigated. I think the House of Representatives would be happy to jump on it if you can find them some evidence.

But have you looked at how dictators like Hitler actually come to power? Often, by promoting claims like you just made. It gets to be part of the group think. It builds power for them. So this kind of claim, without evidence, can be dangerous to democracy. That's why we need ways to investigate them in a democracy.


Kind of astonishing the degree of power that Trump says he wants to destroy his political enemies. Not what I would want a president to do. The DOJ should not be used for personal vendettas or political vendettas.
Right now the nation has a president or puppet master, who are attempting to destroy a political opponent by “weaponizing” the court system against that opponent. And that is what is dangerous to democracy.
Or maybe what is dangerous to democracy is nominating a habitual criminal to the highest office in the form of Trump. Who not only does not respect democracy, but seeks to undermine it.

Most normal candidates (including every other Republican candidate) don't have any difficulty avoiding committing over 90 felonies.
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Re: Is Trump legally qualified to be a presidential candidate?

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Bootstrap wrote: Fri May 03, 2024 9:28 am


I don't think so. I don't think Biden runs the judiciary or the state courts or state prosecutors or county prosecutors. He is in charge of the DOJ, but as far as I can tell, he has also asked them to work independently and is not calling the shots.

Thing is, Trump actually claims he has the authority to do the very things that people are accusing Biden of. That he has the right to use the DOJ to protect his friends and himself and to persecute his enemies. If there is evidence that ANY president is doing these things, that needs to be taken seriously.

But in investigations. And not by calling for a president to rise up in revenge against political opponents, which is a key part of the current Trump campaign. That is a deeply anti-democratic impulse. We don't want all-powerful leaders who can bypass the protections our legal system has set up. If Biden ever starts promising to exact revenge on Trump using the legal system, that would be just as serious a problem.
You mean he is threatening to do to them, what they did to him. Like purport lies about the Steele Dossier, promote the Trump/Russian collusion lie, etc.

These are the things he is threatening to do:

-Deal with the Biden Family corruption.
-Go after racist-in-reverse unfair prosecutors. People like Fani Willis and Alvin Bragg.
-News networks that engage in illegal political activity.
-Uncooperative civil Servants

If all those people are honest, fair and did nothing wrong, they should have no fear of Trump.
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Re: Is Trump legally qualified to be a presidential candidate?

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Ken wrote: Fri May 03, 2024 12:15 pm

Or maybe what is dangerous to democracy is nominating a habitual criminal to the highest office in the form of Trump. Who not only does not respect democracy, but seeks to undermine it.

Most normal candidates (including every other Republican candidate) don't have any difficulty avoiding committing over 90 felonies.
Has he been convicted of those 90 felonies at this point?



Maybe what is dangerous to democracy is nominating a war monger, and a habitual liar to the highest office in the form of Biden. Another danger to democracy is an open border, with the hopes that the millions of illegals will eventually vote Democrat. A danger to democracy is stealing money from the hard working tax payer to pay student loans in an attempt to garner the votes of young people. One has to wonder how many of the violent pro-Hamas demonstrators at the nation's colleges had their student loans paid.
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Re: Is Trump legally qualified to be a presidential candidate?

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Grace wrote: Fri May 03, 2024 12:27 pm Has he been convicted of those 90 felonies at this point?
No. And Biden has not been convicted of any of the things you have suggested either.

I think the same rules need to apply to both Trump and Biden. Investigations and courts are the right place to figure out what is true and what is not. Shouting accusations louder and more and more often is not.
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Re: Is Trump legally qualified to be a presidential candidate?

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Grace wrote: Fri May 03, 2024 12:27 pm
Ken wrote: Fri May 03, 2024 12:15 pm

Or maybe what is dangerous to democracy is nominating a habitual criminal to the highest office in the form of Trump. Who not only does not respect democracy, but seeks to undermine it.

Most normal candidates (including every other Republican candidate) don't have any difficulty avoiding committing over 90 felonies.
Has he been convicted of those 90 felonies at this point?
That is obviously what the trials are for and why we need to hold them. Or do you think that Trump is uniquely above the law?
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Ken wrote: Fri May 03, 2024 1:12 pm
Grace wrote: Fri May 03, 2024 12:27 pm
Ken wrote: Fri May 03, 2024 12:15 pm

Or maybe what is dangerous to democracy is nominating a habitual criminal to the highest office in the form of Trump. Who not only does not respect democracy, but seeks to undermine it.

Most normal candidates (including every other Republican candidate) don't have any difficulty avoiding committing over 90 felonies.
Has he been convicted of those 90 felonies at this point?
That is obviously what the trials are for and why we need to hold them. Or do you think that Trump is uniquely above the law?
If these “felonies” were so serious perhaps they should have been prosecuted before 2016.
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Re: Is Trump legally qualified to be a presidential candidate?

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Grace wrote: Fri May 03, 2024 12:16 pm You mean he is threatening to do to them, what they did to him. Like purport lies about the Steele Dossier, promote the Trump/Russian collusion lie, etc.
Ooooh, revenge! That's what we need presidents for! And personal, vindictive revenge! Forget innocent until proven guilty! Forget the dangers of a president who claims he can do whatever he wants to, especially when that means going after other people! We want revenge!

No evidence of wrongdoing needed. No fair process needed. He promises that on the campaign trail. Either he's a liar or he is running for dictator. There really isn't a third option there.
Grace wrote: Fri May 03, 2024 12:16 pmThese are the things he is threatening to do:

-Deal with the Biden Family corruption.
-Go after racist-in-reverse unfair prosecutors. People like Fani Willis and Alvin Bragg.
-News networks that engage in illegal political activity.
-Uncooperative civil Servants

If all those people are honest, fair and did nothing wrong, they should have no fear of Trump.
Let's start here: without first doing anything like a serious investigation or a jury trial, there's this huge coordinated campaign promoting the belief that all of these things are true. It's personal. It's polarizing. It's repeated, loudly, every single day. Believing these claims is central to a particular identity, whether or not the claims are true.

Suppose they did this to you. You would be completely innocent, but you would already have good reason to fear. People have been receiving death threats, they have had to hire security, some people have needed to move out of their homes, and some of this is clearly about claims that are demonstrably false. Rile people up enough, and perfectly innocent people have plenty to fear.

Mob rule or democracy. Which do you want?
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Re: Is Trump legally qualified to be a presidential candidate?

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Josh wrote: Fri May 03, 2024 1:15 pm
Ken wrote: Fri May 03, 2024 1:12 pm
Grace wrote: Fri May 03, 2024 12:27 pm

Has he been convicted of those 90 felonies at this point?
That is obviously what the trials are for and why we need to hold them. Or do you think that Trump is uniquely above the law?
If these “felonies” were so serious perhaps they should have been prosecuted before 2016.
So like the movie Minority Report. Use a time machine to see into the future and then throw him in jail and prosecute him for crimes that he has not yet committed?
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Bootstrap wrote: Fri May 03, 2024 1:22 pm No evidence of wrongdoing needed. No fair process needed. He promises that on the campaign trail. Either he's a liar or he is running for dictator. There really isn't a third option there.
Sure there is. Third option: both.
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Re: Is Trump legally qualified to be a presidential candidate?

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Ken wrote: Fri May 03, 2024 1:12 pm
Grace wrote: Fri May 03, 2024 12:27 pm
Ken wrote: Fri May 03, 2024 12:15 pm

Or maybe what is dangerous to democracy is nominating a habitual criminal to the highest office in the form of Trump. Who not only does not respect democracy, but seeks to undermine it.

Most normal candidates (including every other Republican candidate) don't have any difficulty avoiding committing over 90 felonies.
Has he been convicted of those 90 felonies at this point?
That is obviously what the trials are for and why we need to hold them. Or do you think that Trump is uniquely above the law?
At this point he has not been convicted of committing 90 felonies as was purported in a prior posts. And no he isn't above the law. It is only Biden who gets a pass because he is an "elderly man with a poor memory." According to the Hur Report.
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