Trump Convicted

[ohio jones]

who he is works for him.

I hope who he is gets more than minimum wage.

C: When you pay him every month, who gets the money?
A: Every dollar of it. And why not, the man's entitled to it.
C: Who is?
A: Yes.

[temporal1]

Oh brother, not another presidential candidate that is mumbling, bumbling, and incoherent.

When emotions run high, distortions can be expected. Best to keep a cool head.

My advice remains to boot (and for all) - ignore X/twitter, et al.
Why do that to yourself?

[temporal1]

who he is works for him.

I hope who he is gets more than minimum wage.

C: When you pay him every month, who gets the money?
A: Every dollar of it. And why not, the man's entitled to it.
C: Who is?
A: Yes.

i think of these types of interactions as parallel conversations. i find comic relief in them.
i had a boss who was ACE at this. we often had 2 lively conversations going, never once connecting, or even crossing.
he did not tire.

he’s passed away. another one i miss.

[Szdfan]

Oh brother, not another presidential candidate that is mumbling, bumbling, and incoherent.

When emotions run high, distortions can be expected. Best to keep a cool head.

My advice remains to boot (and for all) - ignore X/twitter, et al.
Why do that to yourself?

Maybe also YouTube?

[temporal1]

Oh brother, not another presidential candidate that is mumbling, bumbling, and incoherent.

When emotions run high, distortions can be expected. Best to keep a cool head.

My advice remains to boot (and for all) - ignore X/twitter, et al.
Why do that to yourself?

Maybe also YouTube?

It’s in the same category. It’s a relatively new “guilty sin” for me, i suppose due to eliminating TV, no radio, etc.
Not all on forum view YT, in the past, you’ve stated you don’t have time for it, at least for more lengthy videos.
i find it easy to search videos of interest, ignore the vast rest of it. i use it for how-to references. sermons.

i enjoy a few ordinary-people-types, similar to how i enjoy a number of MN members, i enjoy opinions.
i don’t expect scholarly research. i don’t seek out those i know will irritate me.

i likely became interested in it via MD-MN. i’ve viewed a number of videos Robert has added.

i make an effort to view videos members share.
when they go over an hour, it becomes challenging. i usually break them up into 20min sections.
i don’t expect anyone to view anything i share. i know there are various reasons not to view. not a problem for me.
i expect to be ignored. i expect you to criticize me. it’s just how things are.

another day in paradise.

[Robert]

Which is not even true. Capone had more indictments than Trump.

Just a quick side question. It will be a little off topic, but maybe not too far.

We know several so really dislike Trump. My honest question is do you dislike him as a person, or dislike the policies he put into place during his presidency? It could be both and that is ok. Just wondering if it the person or the policy that several of you find disliking/distasteful. If it is the policies, please BRIEFLY share which ones that you most dislike.

[Bootstrap]

Which is not even true. Capone had more indictments than Trump.

Just a quick side question. It will be a little off topic, but maybe not too far.

We know several so really dislike Trump. My honest question is do you dislike him as a person, or dislike the policies he put into place during his presidency? It could be both and that is ok. Just wondering if it the person or the policy that several of you find disliking/distasteful. If it is the policies, please BRIEFLY share which ones that you most dislike.

The testimony in this case shows Trump hanging around the sleaziest possible people, paying hush money to porn stars to help his campaign, disguising those payments to hide their true intent, and threatening people right and left, resulting in death threats to some of them. His behavior shows utter scorn for the legal process. Suppose we treat Trump like any other person - there's a lot to dislike here, isn't there?

I don't like that. I find it distasteful. I think it tells us everything we need to know about his character and his dishonesty. Not because it's Trump. I don't understand it when people suggest that's no big deal, or that people are only bothered because they don't like Trump. But of course, that's the story Trump promotes on the campaign trail to divert attention from all of this.

No need to turn to other examples that are not the topic of this thread. His character, his dishonesty, his willingness to destroy people's lives for his personal gain, his blatant immorality ... that's all pretty clear in this topic. His constant victimhood claims - and claims of the right to retribution - whenever the things he does come to light. The way he channels this into political division where everything revolves around Trump and that is the dividing line between people. Suppose we treat Trump like any other politician caught in wrongdoing - there's a lot to dislike here, isn't there?

We can discuss other places that comes out in other threads.

[Ken]

Which is not even true. Capone had more indictments than Trump.

Just a quick side question. It will be a little off topic, but maybe not too far.

We know several so really dislike Trump. My honest question is do you dislike him as a person, or dislike the policies he put into place during his presidency? It could be both and that is ok. Just wondering if it the person or the policy that several of you find disliking/distasteful. If it is the policies, please BRIEFLY share which ones that you most dislike.

I would say it is a combination.

With respect to policy. The areas of policy I am most interested in are probably: (1) economics, (2) education, (3) the environment, (4) infrastructure/transportation/energy. And I think Trump is taking us in the wrong direction in each of those areas, or at worst, completely inattentive where attention is warranted such as in education. The only major legislation he managed to pass during his previous 4 years was a big tax cut for the wealthy and corporations, which larded trillions onto the budget and put more burdens onto the middle class and future generations.

I also think he a uniquely unfit and unserious person who is unsuited for leading such a large and complex nation. That's not about sleeping with porn stars and covering it up. That's just a symptom. I look more to the people who knew and worked with him the closest from Mike Pence on down to many other high-ranking Trump Administration officials from the last administration who all point to his unfitness to serve as president.

It isn't about Republican vs. Democrat. In my previous life I worked for and with Republicans and voted for them. It is specifically about Trump.

I also think that no matter who wins in November, either one will be the oldest president ever inaugurated and an instant lame duck. That not much of significance and permanence will get done in the next for years no matter who wins. And that the election that will really determine the course of the country going into the future will be the 2028 election when it will be all new candidates and a new generation. I also think that whichever party loses in 2024 will have the inside path to taking over the White House in 2028 because politics in this country is a pendulum that swings back and forth. And it is very difficult for any party to maintain power from president to president.

[Grace]

The testimony in this case shows Trump hanging around the sleaziest possible people, paying hush money to porn stars to help his campaign, disguising those payments to hide their true intent, and threatening people right and left, resulting in death threats to some of them. His behavior shows utter scorn for the legal process. Suppose we treat Trump like any other person - there's a lot to dislike here, isn't there?

I don't like that. I find it distasteful. I think it tells us everything we need to know about his character and his dishonesty. Not because it's Trump. I don't understand it when people suggest that's no big deal, or that people are only bothered because they don't like Trump. But of course, that's the story Trump promotes on the campaign trail to divert attention from all of this.

No need to turn to other examples that are not the topic of this thread. His character, his dishonesty, his willingness to destroy people's lives for his personal gain, his blatant immorality ... that's all pretty clear in this topic. His constant victimhood claims - and claims of the right to retribution - whenever the things he does come to light. The way he channels this into political division where everything revolves around Trump and that is the dividing line between people. Suppose we treat Trump like any other politician caught in wrongdoing - there's a lot to dislike here, isn't there?

We can discuss other places that comes out in other threads.

Beings everything you listed would be applicable to various past presidents and even the current president.

What policies of Trump's do you think were distasteful and harmful to the country and abroad?

Was it his policies that kept the country from war? Was it his policies on keeping Putin at bay and keeping Iran poor? Was it his policies on inflation, or on energy? Was it his policies that kept the country from being invaded at the southern border, etc.?

[temporal1]

jealousy. the need to dominate. the male-male factor.
certain males bring out aggression in certain other males. part of life on earth.

for humans, lots of scripture focuses on it. for animals, it’s recognized+accepted. instincts.

Basically he drives the car but officially you crash it.
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