Hunter Biden Plea Deal

[Josh]

Yes, Ken, my entire point is that paperwork violations are different (and are a much lower legal bar to clear) than securing a conviction based on someone being caught with a gun & marijuana at the same time.

I don't know where you get this idea that 11(e) is an "illegal question". It's illegal to use marijuana. The government can ask you on a form if you do illegal things, which can then bar you from doing something else. A true answer is compulsory unless it's mandatory that you fill out the form, and it's already been established that filling out a 4473 isn't mandatory.

[Moses]

The person in question in the 5th Circuit case admitted to being a continual pot user since HS including the time that he owned and possessed the firearm and the court found that pot use (even if illegal) did not disqualify one from gun ownership under the 2nd Amendment. Which would make the question at 11(e) an illegal question since it is asking about behavior that does not qualify one from gun ownership.

Are questions 10(a) and 10(b) also illegal questions then since they are asking about physical characteristics that do not qualify [sic] one from gun ownership?

[Ken]

The person in question in the 5th Circuit case admitted to being a continual pot user since HS including the time that he owned and possessed the firearm and the court found that pot use (even if illegal) did not disqualify one from gun ownership under the 2nd Amendment. Which would make the question at 11(e) an illegal question since it is asking about behavior that does not qualify one from gun ownership.

Are questions 10(a) and 10(b) also illegal questions then since they are asking about physical characteristics that do not qualify [sic] one from gun ownership?

I actually used to deal with the paperwork reduction act professionally when I worked for the government in fisheries management and was involved to some extent in designing forms for different federal fisheries permits.

You can collect information from the public as long as it serves some legitimate statutory purpose. In this case I'm guessing that Congress wants to know gun ownership trends by ethnicity and race for whatever reason, perhaps to make sure that different ethnicities and minorities are not being discriminated against in their ability to own guns. I have no idea.

However what is the purpose of collecting information about drug use if the court explicitly says that it is not a barrier to gun ownership and that using drugs doesn't forfeit your 2nd Amendment rights. It would be like asking if you have ever exceeded the speed limit. Or tore the tags off your mattress. Or any other random bad deed that has no relationship to your ability to own firearms. If the ATF can justify the question to OMB which has people who review all government forms for compliance with the PRA then fine. But I'm guessing they can't if the 5th Circuit decision holds up. What will eventually happen is that ATF will be forced to revise its regulations and forms to comply with a much tighter set of criteria around drug use.

But in government there is always inertia. So this probably wouldn't happen until someone challenges this exact form and a court rules on its permissibility. That person could actually be Hunter Biden in the form of an appeal. Who knows. His attorneys will most certainly appeal his conviction based on the argument that this form is impermissibly broad and then if some court rules that it is not, then that ruling and the 5th Circuit's ruling would be on a collision course.

[Szdfan]

If Democrats acted like Trump supporters after Hunter's guilty verdict:

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTN1hMHQJ/

[Josh]

If Democrats acted like Trump supporters after Hunter's guilty verdict:

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTN1hMHQJ/

Thanks for elevating the discourse here by posting TikTok links.

[Ken]

If Democrats acted like Trump supporters after Hunter's guilty verdict:

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTN1hMHQJ/

Thanks for elevating the discourse here by posting TikTok links.

Well, one thing is for certain. With 3 felony convictions for paperwork infractions, Hunter Biden has no business running for president.

[Szdfan]

If Democrats acted like Trump supporters after Hunter's guilty verdict:

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTN1hMHQJ/

Thanks for elevating the discourse here by posting TikTok links.

Thanks sweetie, I'm glad you approve.

[Moses]

Matt Gaetz' reaction to the Biden verdict was about spot on.

[Ken]

Matt Gaetz' reaction to the Biden verdict was about spot on.

He should probably be worried about his own legal problems.

[temporal1]

Age 54.
Is it possible this is the first time HB has been told “No”?
Something to think about.

Why You MUST Let Your Kids Fail | Dr. Phil McGraw / -10min


^^No reference to the bidens. “if the shoe fits” ..
It should have happened beginning in toddler years. 54, with ready access the the White House, is disturbingly delayed.
Attempts at twisting joe into “Father of the Year” are insulting.