Ken wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:15 pm
appleman2006 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:04 pm
If Trump is guilty of trying to bribe Stormy Daniels (which is illegal) shouldn’t he be held accountable?
Only if in fact any ordinary person would be charged for the same offence. Which is unlikly at least by this prosecutor who would not even prosecute a person for the alleged crime that Trump was offering bribes about.
You are wrong in your description of the case on several counts.
The crime isn't bribery. It is that the payment constituted an illegal unreported campaign contribution. Since the Trump campaign directly benefitted from the cover-up and its only purpose was to further the Trump campaign. Trump's involvement is that he illegally reimbursed Michael Cohen for making the Stormy Daniel hush money payment by using business accounts and illegally writing it off as a business expense. And he also implicated himself by reimbursing Cohen in the first place. A universal principal of criminal law is that if you pay someone to break the law you are just as culpable of the crime as they are.
And ordinary people do get convicted of this crime. Trump's attorney and "handler" Michael Cohen was, in fact, convicted of this actual offense in this very same case and served a 3-year sentence. Well, he served the last part under house arrest rather than prison due to COVID.
And many other US politicians and prominent people have also been convicted and served time for the same exact thing. I provided a partial list upstream. Poor people tend not to get convicted for campaign finance violations for the obvious reason that poor people generally do not make big illegal campaign contributions.
Just to be clear. I am not defending Trump. I just find it interesting that after all the tries they have had at Trump an obscure prosecutor who is on record as refusing to prosecute many clearcut cases is going after Trump on this and you guys think he actually cares about the law.
I do not like Trump. Never have and if this is what keeps him from running again so be it. I think that is great. What is not great is the fact that there are a few of you that I have now heard take every opportunity to jump on Trump for at least 7 years and yet you do not seem to ever have anything negative to say about an at least equally corrupt Democrat President who is in power right now. That imo makes all of your logic suspect.
Trump - brash, liar, mean, self-indulgent, bad communicator, bad money manager, sore loser. on the positive side - world became a more peaceful place while he was in power. economy did quite well while he was in power. was a surprisingly good debater, and IMO the biggest one. Those who held differing religious views from the mainstream felt relatively safe under his presidency.
Biden - ineffective, liar, hateful to those he disagrees with, the worst communicator of any president in my lifetime by far, warmonger, has been largely responsible for the worst economic downturn in almost 100 years, has the most ineffective administration I have ever seen in my lifetime, think VP, transportation, minister, head of treasury, ..... people holding different religious views feel very unsafe and threatened, still does not allow the unvaccinated into your country even though they might be the only country left to do so, Positives - he has a nice vacation home, and probably a few others.
my point. You guys make banana republics look good.
