A Discussion on Prayer

[Valerie]

We watch this Pastors Discussion podcast weekly.
These are two pastors from Oasis Tabernacle in Sugarcreek OH we visit- Pastor Wayne Weaver had been an Amish minister, Mennonite & I guess you’d say “non “ denomination and John Mark Yoder was raised plain as well-
Just for background-
I think the subject of “Prayer” generates lots of thoughts and discussions to understand.
Title: Can Prayer Change God-or Change the World:

If anyone is interested it’s about 17 minutes:



Sounds like they want to discuss it more next Thursday

[JohnH]

We watch this Pastors Discussion podcast weekly.
These are two pastors from Oasis Tabernacle in Sugarcreek OH we visit- Pastor Wayne Weaver had been an Amish minister, Mennonite & I guess you’d say “non “ denomination and John Mark Yoder was raised plain as well-
Just for background-
I think the subject of “Prayer” generates lots of thoughts and discussions to understand.
Title: Can Prayer Change God-or Change the World:

It sounds like both of those men fell into apostasy; is there a particular reason we should want to listen to them lecture us on doctrinal topics? How do we know they are not false teachers?

[Valerie]

We watch this Pastors Discussion podcast weekly.
These are two pastors from Oasis Tabernacle in Sugarcreek OH we visit- Pastor Wayne Weaver had been an Amish minister, Mennonite & I guess you’d say “non “ denomination and John Mark Yoder was raised plain as well-
Just for background-
I think the subject of “Prayer” generates lots of thoughts and discussions to understand.
Title: Can Prayer Change God-or Change the World:

It sounds like both of those men fell into apostasy; is there a particular reason we should want to listen to them lecture us on doctrinal topics? How do we know they are not false teachers?

It’s a voluntary step if interested- they’re definitely not apostate- I have never heard anything unscriptural-
Wayne and George Donner were close so as you know, George is Anabaptistcostal (or however he called it) -
They don’t go into anything but “prayer”-

[JohnH]

We watch this Pastors Discussion podcast weekly.
These are two pastors from Oasis Tabernacle in Sugarcreek OH we visit- Pastor Wayne Weaver had been an Amish minister, Mennonite & I guess you’d say “non “ denomination and John Mark Yoder was raised plain as well-
Just for background-
I think the subject of “Prayer” generates lots of thoughts and discussions to understand.
Title: Can Prayer Change God-or Change the World:

It sounds like both of those men fell into apostasy; is there a particular reason we should want to listen to them lecture us on doctrinal topics? How do we know they are not false teachers?

It’s a voluntary step if interested- they’re definitely not apostate- I have never heard anything unscriptural-
Wayne and George Donner were close so as you know, George is Anabaptistcostal (or however he called it) -
They don’t go into anything but “prayer”-

I consider abandoning Anabaptism to be apostasy.

[Bootstrap]

What if it were possible to just discuss what two men say about prayer on a Christian site?

Or is fighting the goal?

[JohnH]

What if it were possible to just discuss what two men say about prayer on a Christian site?

Or is fighting the goal?

In this particular case, it's an institution whose entire mission seems to be recruiting Anabaptist people and converting them to their bizarre religion of a certain form of Christian Zionism, right down to importing stones for the construction of their church building from Israel.

They also ordained Wayne Weaver to the office of "Apostle", which, generally speaking, I have interpreted as a red flag.

So no, I don't really think I need to listen to what two false teachers have to say about "prayer".

[JayP]

JohnH, you define abandoning Anabaptism as apostasy but you were not always Anabaptist I think.
Is that correct?


If true, and you yourself have been a convert (maybe more than once?), maybe throwing around that word is a bit, well, unwise?

[Valerie]

What if it were possible to just discuss what two men say about prayer on a Christian site?

Or is fighting the goal?

In this particular case, it's an institution whose entire mission seems to be recruiting Anabaptist people and converting them to their bizarre religion of a certain form of Christian Zionism, right down to importing stones for the construction of their church building from Israel.

They also ordained Wayne Weaver to the office of "Apostle", which, generally speaking, I have interpreted as a red flag.

So no, I don't really think I need to listen to what two false teachers have to say about "prayer".

It was an Anabaptist (Beachy Mennonite) man who recommended his Church to us and held him in high esteem while still being Mennonite, snd the Mennonite man was (he’s since passed away) was a very strong Christian whose strength in the Lord and faith, meant enough to us that we decided to try the Church. The stones you mention were donated.
I gave no doubt his relationship with Christ is stronger than about anyone I know- would trust his insights, experience and wisdom. I tend to be very careful who I trust in the faith.

[MattY]

I have like 50 videos on my Watch Later list on YouTube but I'll work this in at some point.

[JohnH]

It was an Anabaptist (Beachy Mennonite) man who recommended his Church to us and held him in high esteem while still being Mennonite, snd the Mennonite man was (he’s since passed away) was a very strong Christian whose strength in the Lord and faith, meant enough to us that we decided to try the Church. The stones you mention were donated.
I gave no doubt his relationship with Christ is stronger than about anyone I know- would trust his insights, experience and wisdom. I tend to be very careful who I trust in the faith.

Why are they using stones from Israel to build their building? There are plenty of stones available locally, so why the extra expense?