Martin Niemöller

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Martin Niemöller

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barnhart wrote: ↑Sat Oct 18, 2025 9:00 pm I guess we could call it post Christian Nationalism. I think most looking back agree German nationalism in the 30's was headed in a un-Christian direction but the question that haunts me is how many Christians could see it at the time.
Martin Niemöller is a good place to see this, and this Wikipedia article covers it well:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_They_Came
Niemöller was initially an anti-Communist, anti-semite and supported Adolf Hitler. But when Hitler rose to power and insisted on the supremacy of the state over religion, Niemöller became disillusioned. He became the leader of a group of German clergymen opposed to Hitler.

In 1937 he was arrested and eventually confined in Sachsenhausen and Dachau. He was released in 1945 by the Allies. He continued his career in Germany as a cleric and as a leading voice of penance and reconciliation for the German people after World War II.
Here's an excerpt from a speech he gave after the war:
The people who were put in the camps then were Communists. Who cared about them? We knew it, it was printed in the newspapers. Who raised their voice, maybe the Confessing Church? We thought: Communists, those opponents of religion, those enemies of Christians—"should I be my brother's keeper?"

Then they got rid of the sick, the so-called incurables. I remember a conversation I had with a person who claimed to be a Christian. He said "Perhaps it's right, these incurably sick people just cost the state money, they are just a burden to themselves and to others. Isn't it best for all concerned if they are taken out of the middle [of society]? " Only then did the church as such take note.

Then we started talking, until our voices were again silenced in public. Can we say, we aren't guilty/responsible?

The persecution of the Jews, the way we treated the occupied countries, or the things in Greece, in Poland, in Czechoslovakia or in the Netherlands, that were written in the newspapers. I believe, we Confessing-Church-Christians have every reason to say: mea culpa, mea culpa! We can talk ourselves out of it with the excuse that it would have cost me my head if I had spoken out.

We preferred to keep silent. We are certainly not without fault, and I ask myself again and again, what would have happened, if in the year 1933 or 1934—there must have been a possibility—14,000 Protestant pastors and all Protestant communities in Germany had defended the truth until their deaths? If we had said back then, it is not right when Hermann Göring simply puts 100,000 Communists in the concentration camps, in order to let them die. I can imagine that perhaps 30,000 to 40,000 Protestant Christians would have had their heads cut off, but I can also imagine that we would have rescued 30–40 million people, because that is what it is costing us now.
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This is Niemöller's most famous writing, as quoted in the above article:
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
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I think it's really helpful to read Niemöller's poem in this light:

Niemöller was initially an anti-Communist, anti-semite and supported Adolf Hitler.

He was against Communists and Jews. He is speaking about his own life when he says "I did not speak out because I was not a Communist" or "I did not speak out because I was not a Jew". It's not some hypothetical thing he wrote about other people.
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