We have more people who give at least 10% than there are positions of leadership or honor available. And those who nominate people for the various offices do not know what each person gives, so that cannot influence them. I think that's typical for Mennonite churches.JohnHurt wrote: ↑Sun Jan 18, 2026 6:08 pm I used to give 10% of my income to the church in the form of a check. I had a good income at the time. In every church I attended, they would ask me to sit on the church board or give me some sort of honorary position. I really thought it was because I was knowledgeable about the Bible that they would give me these honors. The real reason is that they saw my checks, with the amounts and my name on it. It was not in secret, as Christ said.
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ohio jones
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In our church the majority of people have some kind of church "job". I am not sure it is considered an honour, though.
As far as donations, the donation slot accepts cash. My kids drop a quarter, nickel, etc. in there each Sunday. Sometimes even a whole dollar bill. I guess they could file a tax return and deduct that.
As far as donations, the donation slot accepts cash. My kids drop a quarter, nickel, etc. in there each Sunday. Sometimes even a whole dollar bill. I guess they could file a tax return and deduct that.
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We are not breaking any man-made laws by not reporting our anonymous giving to the needy.JohnH wrote: ↑Sun Jan 18, 2026 8:20 pmIf your Christian charity meets certain thresholds, it is unlawful not to file a proper return. If it is a church you don't have to file anything.
I don't think wilfully breaking the law is a good idea when there is no compelling reason to do so.
You just won't be able to take the tax deduction.
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ohio jones wrote: ↑Sun Jan 18, 2026 8:31 pmWe have more people who give at least 10% than there are positions of leadership or honor available. And those who nominate people for the various offices do not know what each person gives, so that cannot influence them. I think that's typical for Mennonite churches.JohnHurt wrote: ↑Sun Jan 18, 2026 6:08 pm I used to give 10% of my income to the church in the form of a check. I had a good income at the time. In every church I attended, they would ask me to sit on the church board or give me some sort of honorary position. I really thought it was because I was knowledgeable about the Bible that they would give me these honors. The real reason is that they saw my checks, with the amounts and my name on it. It was not in secret, as Christ said.
I am sure there are good churches that do not look at who gives and who does not.
In these, they did.
My mistake was to pay with a check with my name on it.
I should have paid in cash in an envelope.
There were others that understood this same problem and one church had a donation box in the vestibule where you could donate anonymously.
When they "pass the plate" down the aisle, there is not a lot of privacy, and there is pressure to donate.
Do you have a donation box at your church for anonymous giving? Is that something Mennonites do?
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If you are operating a non-profit that is not a church, you are required to file various returns.
If you are a legitimate church, then you don't need to.
Most conservative Anabaptist churches have a box with a slot it in in the back to put cash or checks into. This is, realistically, something only old people do, or young children who are given a quarter or a dollar bill to drop in there. I try to remember to do this with my children each week.Do you have a donation box at your church for anonymous giving? Is that something Mennonites do?
Most members just mail a check in to the deacons.
If you have a strong need to be anonymous, you can use a donor advised fund like Fidelity Charitable which will mail the checks in on your behalf.
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Some churches do this; others pass the plate.
This is, realistically, something only old people do. Why bother with the expense of checks, envelopes, and stamps when you can simply put it in the offering box or plate at church?
The checks I've seen from such funds all have the donor's name on them. If anonymity is an option, I haven't seen it utilized.
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In a more conservative church such as my own, options like PayPal or credit card are not available, so younger people mail a check (or use their bank's bill pay service to do it for them).ohio jones wrote: ↑Mon Feb 09, 2026 10:40 amThis is, realistically, something only old people do. Why bother with the expense of checks, envelopes, and stamps when you can simply put it in the offering box or plate at church?
It's an option to suppress listing the donor advisor's name.The checks I've seen from such funds all have the donor's name on them. If anonymity is an option, I haven't seen it utilized.
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In my somewhat less conservative church, PayPal is available but rarely utilized, mostly when someone is absent. None of our members or regular attenders has ever mailed a check that I can recall. Two people use their bank's bill pay service to send a check; their ages are 20s and 70s so it doesn't appear to be a generational thing.JohnH wrote: ↑Mon Feb 09, 2026 2:22 pmIn a more conservative church such as my own, options like PayPal or credit card are not available, so younger people mail a check (or use their bank's bill pay service to do it for them).ohio jones wrote: ↑Mon Feb 09, 2026 10:40 amThis is, realistically, something only old people do. Why bother with the expense of checks, envelopes, and stamps when you can simply put it in the offering box or plate at church?
I'm not sure it's helpful for either of us to extrapolate patterns beyond our own congregations.
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That's probably true. I would stand by my statement, though, that people can give anonymously in plain Anabaptist circles, but most don't bother. These days, most people don't care about a tax deduction either.ohio jones wrote: ↑Mon Feb 09, 2026 2:44 pmIn my somewhat less conservative church, PayPal is available but rarely utilized, mostly when someone is absent. None of our members or regular attenders has ever mailed a check that I can recall. Two people use their bank's bill pay service to send a check; their ages are 20s and 70s so it doesn't appear to be a generational thing.JohnH wrote: ↑Mon Feb 09, 2026 2:22 pmIn a more conservative church such as my own, options like PayPal or credit card are not available, so younger people mail a check (or use their bank's bill pay service to do it for them).ohio jones wrote: ↑Mon Feb 09, 2026 10:40 amThis is, realistically, something only old people do. Why bother with the expense of checks, envelopes, and stamps when you can simply put it in the offering box or plate at church?
I'm not sure it's helpful for either of us to extrapolate patterns beyond our own congregations.
Unless I slide cash into the donation box, I would prefer not to be anonymous in case my check goes missing or something.
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In my experience as secretary most of what we collected in the offering was either cash or checks in numbered envelopes. And those checks would normally be folded in half inside the envelope so the deacon wouldn't normally look to see who the check is from - just record it by donor number.JohnH wrote: ↑Mon Feb 09, 2026 2:50 pm That's probably true. I would stand by my statement, though, that people can give anonymously in plain Anabaptist circles, but most don't bother. These days, most people don't care about a tax deduction either.
Unless I slide cash into the donation box, I would prefer not to be anonymous in case my check goes missing or something.
I wouldn't have a good way to know whether or not more than half of the attendees were putting something in the offering. But I would say less than 5% of donors are identifiable in the books.
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