We don't need to be afraid of CRT

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temporal1

Re: We don't need to be afraid of CRT

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What if it turns out, lib political practices (laws) no matter good intentions, seductive legal talking points, produce negative results? What if these are just as racist as any, denying the fact?

Personally, I believe “racism” is largely universal. Where is there any political or even faith culture, any continent, wherein the dominant members favor minority members?

Jesus messed with that, modeling all lives, all souls, matter. He lived it to the extreme, did not resort to human law to do so.

Just think.
IF Jesus had only endorsed one earthly gov, how much easier for Him and us???! HE EASILY COULD HAVE.

Why mess around with the Apostles, others?
He could have been “more efficient” and gone straight to the kings and emperors, those in “real” power.

Hmm. Why didn’t He think of that? Hmm.
Proven again: We are so much smarter than God. :roll:
temporal1 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 26, 2021 10:48 am “ Fatherlessness Can Be Fatal”
https://illinoisfamilyaction.org/2021/0 ... -be-fatal/
Written by Dr. Jerry Newcombe

There were more mass shootings in Chicago last weekend. The irony of these shootings, in which 54 were shot and 8 died, is the weekend itself….Father’s Day weekend.

Some sociologists note that what we’re seeing in large part are quite often the results of fatherlessness in America.

Mark J. Perry, a scholar with American Enterprise Institute, put out a chart on March 30, 2021 on fatherlessness in America. He compiled the statistics from the National Center for Health Statistics, and the chart compares the “percentage of U.S. births to unmarried women by race” for the year 2019.

The chart notes that:

11.7% of Asian births in America were to unwed mothers,
28.2% to white mothers,
40% for all races,
52% for Hispanics,
69% for Americans Indians,
70% for Blacks.
That explains a lot. The breakdown of the family in America is one of the leading causes of societal breakdown.
The cliché is correct: “As the family goes, so goes society.”

Fathers can make a huge difference in the life of their children, and their absence can lead to all manner of problems.

African-American leaders are expressing concern.
John Diggs, M.D. of Massachusetts once talked with me about the devastation wrought by the breakdown of the family.

About 15 years ago, Dr. Diggs told me in an interview for Christian television that the seeds of fatherlessness were sown in the sexual revolution: “Social science has borne out that all the bad effects associated with sex outside of marriage have increased under this paradigm. For example, you can look in the Black community. If you look at 1960, it was on the order of 5 out of 100 children were born out-of-wedlock. Now that number is something on the order of 60 out of 100. And once you get that kind of number, the whole society tends to break down.”

Tragically, that 60% has now increased to 70% as noted in the chart cited above.

Diggs continued, “Marriage has a very important function. It gets people to commit to each other even when they don’t want to, even when they don’t like each other for some short period of time. It’s financially better to have a mother and father in the house where you have two different personalities, two different orientations in terms of maleness and femaleness affecting both the child, both the girl and the boy. And I think, clearly, the crisis of fatherlessness can be laid at the feet of the sexual revolution.”

He said one of the biggest problems with all this is viewing the father as “expendable.” :(

And who fills in the gap? Uncle Sam? The gang leaders? :(
Of course, many young men become gang-bangers because the gang leader becomes surrogate fathers for them.
The Bible warns: Bad company corrupts good morals.
And the whole thing becomes a vicious cycle.

And then on top of all this: welfare transfer payments reward those who bear children out of wedlock and punish those households where the father remains. We get what the government subsidizes. What a tragic nightmare. Fatherlessness can be fatal. :(

To compound all this are those on the left who are saying we need to defund the police.

Civil Rights leader Robert Woodson thinks that is a terrible idea. Woodson created the Woodson Center in Washington, D.C., which has had many years of providing effective help for inner-city communities. A Gallup Poll backs up Woodson.
The pollsters found that 81% of Blacks do not favor defunding the police.

Noted Woodson: “The people who are advocating hostile actions against police do not have to suffer the consequences of their advocacy. They live in gated communities; they live where they are protected.” :(

Woodson added, “This battle is critical to our future. I don’t think we have been this close to just anarchy that you see this assault on police. It is resulting in withdrawal from some of the most high crime areas. As a result, murder is soaring in some of these cities, and it’s directly related to the nullification of policing.”

:arrow: Woodson remembered when Black families used to be a model for the rest of the nation.
He said, “From1930-1940, during America’s 10 years of depression, when racism was enshrined in law, elderly people could walk safely in their community without fear of assault because of our faith in Christ and also our marriage—
:arrow: we had the highest marriage rate of any group…that has been our history.”

:arrow: Ultimately, a spiritual renewal is what is needed to turn things, including fatherlessness, around.

Woodson told me, “As a country, we must seek redemption and understand that we need to be all that we can be as a nation.
If we were to mimic Christ and understand the importance of our future, it depends upon redemption and restoration.”


In case you missed it: ^^
:arrow: Woodson remembered when Black families used to be a model for the rest of the nation.
He said, “From1930-1940, during America’s 10 years of depression, when racism was enshrined in law, elderly people could walk safely in their community without fear of assault because of our faith in Christ and also our marriage—
:arrow: we had the highest marriage rate of any group…that has been our history.”

WHAT?
WHO TALKS LIKE THAT? :shock:
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Josh

Re: We don't need to be afraid of CRT

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temporal1 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:30 pm
jbg:
Anabaptists, with their kingdom view of salvation, their focus on following the teachings and witness of Jesus, and history of being oppressed, should be among the first to work for racial reconciliation among oppressed races.

We should be working for the downtrodden in our society.
Those that are left behind socially and economically. Those in prison etc.

On this forum, i find CMs who do all these things you describe, and have been doing so all along, without the force of the sword.
All diligently, effectively, without public fanfare.
If “it has to be in headlines, or it doesn’t exist,” the heavy lifters do not exist. :-|
On this board, probably nobody spends more time with those type of people than Joy. Yet I don’t see her agitating for the kind of sweeping political solutions, or claiming that good Christians will, if they are sincere in their Christian belief, adopt these political positions and solutions.
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temporal1

Re: We don't need to be afraid of CRT

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Josh wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:49 pm
temporal1 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:30 pm
jbg:
Anabaptists, with their kingdom view of salvation, their focus on following the teachings and witness of Jesus, and history of being oppressed, should be among the first to work for racial reconciliation among oppressed races.

We should be working for the downtrodden in our society.
Those that are left behind socially and economically. Those in prison etc.

On this forum, i find CMs who do all these things you describe, and have been doing so all along, without the force of the sword.
All diligently, effectively, without public fanfare.
If “it has to be in headlines, or it doesn’t exist,” the heavy lifters do not exist. :-|
On this board, probably nobody spends more time with those type of people than Joy. Yet I don’t see her agitating for the kind of sweeping political solutions, or claiming that good Christians will, if they are sincere in their Christian belief, adopt these political positions and solutions.
correct. also, mike, and george has experience. i believe GaryK, and, some former young CM members were in training. Robert has been hands-on in real time, for decades. there are others.

they aren’t noisy about it. nor in headlines, anywhere. the heavy lifters aren’t.
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JimFoxvog

Re: We don't need to be afraid of CRT

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I thought those who care about CRT might find this article in Anabaptist World by Julie Hart, who taught Critical Race Theory in college.
My students can handle critical race theory
The goals are to understand the sources of racial injustice and find solutions


I have taught critical race theory for 16 years. It’s part of a course on Racial Justice — my toughest class at Ohio Dominican University, because it raises strong emotions in students, just as we are seeing in the news.

White students get defensive and angry when they learn about white privilege, unconscious racism and cultural, institutional and systemic racism.

Black and brown students get angry as we trace the history of Jim Crow segregation laws and identify the many ways racist policies persist today in the U.S. economy, the criminal justice system, educational funding, hiring and firing practices and bank loan policies.

But it wasn’t until the last few months that the ideas I find essential in the classroom were vilified by conservative media and many U.S. Christians as a dangerous, leftist ideology.

...

Whatever we call these concepts — critical race theory or racial justice — the purpose is the same: As we become culturally competent and challenge our unconscious biases, we see more clearly the beauty of the human diversity God created.

Julie Hart is a retired professor of sociology and peace and justice at Ohio Dominican University in Columbus, Ohio, and previously taught at Bethel College in Kansas. She is a member of Columbus Mennonite Church.
https://anabaptistworld.org/my-students ... ce-theory/
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Josh

Re: We don't need to be afraid of CRT

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Julie Hart is saying what I've been saying for a while: CRT is actually well-integrated into mainstream institutions and is widely taught in the classroom.
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temporal1

Re: We don't need to be afraid of CRT

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Josh wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 8:41 pm Julie Hart is saying what I've been saying for a while:
CRT is actually well-integrated into mainstream institutions and is widely taught in the classroom.

i would just use the word, “integrated.”
these things don’t just suddenly come out of nowhere to be fairly debated and decided. that’s a fantasy.
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Josh

Re: We don't need to be afraid of CRT

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temporal1 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:28 pm
Josh wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 8:41 pm Julie Hart is saying what I've been saying for a while:
CRT is actually well-integrated into mainstream institutions and is widely taught in the classroom.

i would just use the word, “integrated.”
these things don’t just suddenly come out of nowhere to be fairly debated and decided. that’s a fantasy.
Right. Writers like Paulo Freire or Michel Foucault wrote a long time ago. (When I went to college, Freire was standard fare for any new student. Michel Foucault wasn't yet.) But nowadays, anyone teaching elementary school has been heavily influenced by those two philosophers, whether they realise it or not.

To give you an idea of the level of nonsense involved here, Paulo Freire claimed that teachers don't teach students, but rather that students teach teachers.
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Re: We don't need to be afraid of CRT

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Josh wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 8:41 pm Julie Hart is saying what I've been saying for a while: CRT is actually well-integrated into mainstream institutions and is widely taught in the classroom.
She is a Menno sociology professor teaching an upper-level university class on Racial Justice.

That is the opposite of "mainstream" and "widely taught in the classroom". I can't put my hands on any quick statistics, but sociology has to be one of the least popular and most declining majors on American universities along with art history and library science.
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PetrChelcicky

Re: We don't need to be afraid of CRT

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Jim Foxvog reminds me that I had read the Julie Hart article and had written a letter to the editors about it, repeating my usual argument that CRT is bad sociology:
It mixes sociology and politics , thereby reverting the Max Weberian distinction which had made sociology possible as a science.
It has no predictive value, so it cannot be tested. And if a theory has no predictive value it has no explanatory value either.
The sweeping generalizations are not covered by precise descriptions of the mechanism, for example: How exactly is "sytemic" white racism enforcing Blacks to kill so much whites (and also other Blacks) that they are so much more often sentenced to prison for homicide? It is counter-intuitive to suppose that whites try to enforce Blacks to kill whites, so it would need a detailed reconstruction of the process.

Well, of course "Anabaptist World" did not publish my letter. And why should they? They don't care about good or bad sociology. But of course they like to use the brand "sociologist" to make their products look good.

When "Anabaptist World" was founded, I had predicted that they would use this opportunity to eliminate ninety percent of the critical comments which had made "Mennoworld" interesting and controversial.
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