Prayers for the Catholic Church

[barnhart]

How many people were excommunicated?

[temporal1]

How many people were excommunicated?

July 2: P.23

One day after the traditionalist Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) consecrated four bishops without the permission of Pope Leo XIV, the Vatican issued a decree declaring the excommunication of all bishops involved in the ceremony.

Published on July 2 by the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, the decree specified that the consecrating bishops, Bishops Alfonso de Galarreta and Bernard Fellay, as well as the four bishops consecrated, Bishops Pascal Schreiber, Michael Goldade, Michel Poinsinet de Sivry, and Marc Hanappier, have incurred excommunication latae sententiae for performing the consecrations. These excommunications, according to canon law, can only be removed by the Pope.

The decree also warned Catholic clergy and lay faithful not to adhere to the SSPX’s “schism,” under penalty of automatic excommunication.

The decree, in an explanatory note, lamented that doctrinal discussions between the Holy See and the SSPX, since the time of St. Paul VI, have not resulted in the society’s full communion with the Holy See.

The Vatican stated on May 13 that the consecrations would be a schismatic act, resulting in automatic excommunication for the consecrating bishops and those consecrated. The Vatican Secretary of State, Cardinal Pietro Parolin, later called the SSPX’s act “schismatic”.

Pope Leo XIV even issued a final appeal to the society not to proceed with these consecrations.

“In this spirit, and filled with Christian affection, I plead with you and ask you with all my heart: Please turn back,” Pope Leo wrote in his letter.

In 1988, after Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, the founder of the SSPX, consecrated bishops without a papal mandate, the Vatican responded two days later, notifying him and the consecrated bishops of their automatic excommunication.

The SSPX exclusively celebrates the Traditional Latin Mass and has rejected certain teachings and reforms of the Second Vatican Council, particularly regarding religious freedom and the Church’s approach to other faiths.

July 3:
SSPX Rejects Vatican’s Excommunication, Calls It ‘Objectively’ Unjust and Invalid
In a letter addressed to Pope Leo XIV, released on July 3, Father Davide Pagliarani, superior general of the SSPX, justified the episcopal consecrations that prompted the Vatican’s decree.
https://www.ncregister.com/cna/sspx-rej ... nd-invalid

[barnhart]

The SSPX exclusively celebrates the Traditional Latin Mass and has rejected certain teachings and reforms of the Second Vatican Council, particularly regarding religious freedom and the Church’s approach to other faiths.

I hope they do not gain control of a country. I like religious freedom.

[JayP]

Ok, before I call that comment absurd, would you care to explain?

How exactly is SSPX going to sieze control of a country?
Their army of zero just is not all that big? Which one do you think they want to occupy?

[R7ehr]

Ok, before I call that comment absurd, would you care to explain?

How exactly is SSPX going to sieze control of a country?
Their army of zero just is not all that big? Which one do you think they want to occupy?

Costa Rico?

[JohnH]

Ok, before I call that comment absurd, would you care to explain?

How exactly is SSPX going to sieze control of a country?
Their army of zero just is not all that big? Which one do you think they want to occupy?

Of the many things I worry about, the SSPX seizing control of a nation has never made the list.

Maybe they could take over San Marino and set it up as an “alternative” Vatican.

[temporal1]

i wondered if the question was about taking over the Vatican.

[Silentreader]

Ok, before I call that comment absurd, would you care to explain?

How exactly is SSPX going to sieze control of a country?
Their army of zero just is not all that big? Which one do you think they want to occupy?

Vatican City?

[temporal1]

i found these Bishop Barron discussions interesting, and relevant to various forum discussions.

Not in any order.
i was interested in what Bill Maher, atheist, then Ben Shapiro, Orthodox Jew, had to say.
i dislike T Carlson, i forced myself to listen. Thankfully, he didn’t dominate, i appreciated the overall content.

7:00 min mark: Dei Verbum / “The Bible is the Word of God, in the words of men” ..
July 2026 / Catholic Priest Corrects Bill Maher's ERRORS on Catholicism / +13min


Acts-based or Faith-based? Or, Love-based?
Jan 2026 / Catholic Priest Corrects Ben Shapiro's Errors on Catholicism / -14min

^^i question the date. Ben S looks quite young in the interview.
i’m not sure about any of the stated dates. (i suppose they’re dates uploaded to youtube.)

Differentiating meanings of the labels, liberal-conservative, in different contexts: theology versus politics
Nov 2025 / Bishop Barron Corrects Tucker Carlson ERRANT VIEW of Catholicism / 14min


“Being and good are convertible terms”:
Sept 2025 / Bishop BARRON STUNS Tucker CARLSON in just 8 minutes / 9min

[JayP]

I have never been a follower of men to the extent I just blindly absorb their pov

That said, no reasonable, religiously committed Ed person can discard Bishop Barton’s points. You need not agree with every aspect and conclusion that comes from his points, but you must admit their merit

He did a great job of showing how a guy like Bill Maher is using essentially tricks of vocabulary to lead the discussion to the conclusions he wants but missing his wrong assumptions.