If in the next life I get asked to help conquer the enemies of God in war, if I still think like I do now, I will ask if there is a possibility of conscientious objector status and whether I can do something like serve at the wedding banquet instead.Valerie wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2026 9:10 amTell that to God the Father, He seems to have (& will) show otherwise.joshuabgood wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2026 8:25 am War is never the answer or appropriate response. There are always better ways.
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A wee little man trusts himself and his own discernment. A big man is humble enough to know that he needs the counsel and input of others.
A wee little man trusts himself and his own discernment. A big man is humble enough to know that he needs the counsel and input of others.
Re: US Attacks Iran 2026
I’d feel the same way.Ernie wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2026 7:13 pmIf in the next life I get asked to help conquer the enemies of God in war, if I still think like I do now, I will ask if there is a possibility of conscientious objector status and whether I can do something like serve at the wedding banquet.Valerie wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2026 9:10 am.joshuabgood wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2026 8:25 am War is never the answer or appropriate response. There are always better ways.
Tell that to God the Father, He seems to have (& will) show otherwise.
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I'm not even sure how to interpret that? That sounds like the people who, when God asks them to do something, ask if they can't do something else for Him instead of what he asked them to do.Ernie wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2026 7:13 pmIf in the next life I get asked to help conquer the enemies of God in war, if I still think like I do now, I will ask if there is a possibility of conscientious objector status and whether I can do something like serve at the wedding banquet instead.Valerie wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2026 9:10 amTell that to God the Father, He seems to have (& will) show otherwise.joshuabgood wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2026 8:25 am War is never the answer or appropriate response. There are always better ways.
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One of the prophets learned a lesson about that. But of course that was Old Testament.ken_sylvania wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2026 9:36 pmI'm not even sure how to interpret that? That sounds like the people who, when God asks them to do something, ask if they can't do something else for Him instead of what he asked them to do.
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I have no idea how things will be in the next life,ken_sylvania wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2026 9:36 pmI'm not even sure how to interpret that? That sounds like the people who, when God asks them to do something, ask if they can't do something else for Him instead of what he asked them to do.
but my point is, if I am asked in this life to have my mind and heart renewed and transformed to be like the mind of Christ, and I enter the next world in the same frame of mind that I am in now, I expect that Christ will understand my hesitancy to take up the sword.
But whether or not he will ask me to do that is beyond my realm of knowledge or understanding as a human on this earth.
I trust the Judge of all the earth and will wait to see what is in store for us.
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A wee little man can’t say, I’m sorry. A big man owns his mistakes and apologizes.
A wee little man trusts himself and his own discernment. A big man is humble enough to know that he needs the counsel and input of others.
A wee little man trusts himself and his own discernment. A big man is humble enough to know that he needs the counsel and input of others.
Re: God and War
I once had a strong dispensationalist type ask what I will do when Jesus returns and leads his people into the battle of armeggedon. I told him I will keep doing the same thing, follow Jesus. I don't always do it well currently and sometimes I don't understand it, so maybe I won't be that good at it then either.Ernie wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2026 7:04 amI have no idea how things will be in the next life,ken_sylvania wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2026 9:36 pmI'm not even sure how to interpret that? That sounds like the people who, when God asks them to do something, ask if they can't do something else for Him instead of what he asked them to do.
but my point is, if I am asked in this life to have my mind and heart renewed and transformed to be like the mind of Christ, and I enter the next world in the same frame of mind that I am in now, I expect that Christ will understand my hesitancy to take up the sword.
But whether or not he will ask me to do that is beyond my realm of knowledge or understanding as a human on this earth.
I trust the Judge of all the earth and will wait to see what is in store for us.
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Re: God and War
If I read the OT the way some folks seem to, and believed about God what some folks do, I'd be pro-war too. And it would feel good to have a man like Pete Hegseth in charge.
Here am I send me.
But I don't, I think Jesus is the full revelation of God and the OT is and was insufficient to reveal God, hence he came in the flesh.
Here am I send me.
But I don't, I think Jesus is the full revelation of God and the OT is and was insufficient to reveal God, hence he came in the flesh.
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How do you reconcile that with the description of Jesus' return in the New Testament, where he's described as leading an army and wielding a sword against his enemies in the greatest battle of all time?joshuabgood wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2026 7:44 am If I read the OT the way some folks seem to, and believed about God what some folks do, I'd be pro-war too. And it would feel good to have a man like Pete Hegseth in charge.
Here am I send me.
But I don't, I think Jesus is the full revelation of God and the OT is and was insufficient to reveal God, hence he came in the flesh.
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Re: God and War
If Rev. 19:11-21 is being referred to, I am not sure that any striking or slaying is said to be done other than by He who is called "The Word of God". At that point judgement has been given into His All-sufficient Hand.Ernie wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2026 7:04 amI have no idea how things will be in the next life,ken_sylvania wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2026 9:36 pmI'm not even sure how to interpret that? That sounds like the people who, when God asks them to do something, ask if they can't do something else for Him instead of what he asked them to do.
but my point is, if I am asked in this life to have my mind and heart renewed and transformed to be like the mind of Christ, and I enter the next world in the same frame of mind that I am in now, I expect that Christ will understand my hesitancy to take up the sword.
But whether or not he will ask me to do that is beyond my realm of knowledge or understanding as a human on this earth.
I trust the Judge of all the earth and will wait to see what is in store for us.
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Revelation 2:26–27Silentreader wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2026 8:36 amIf Rev. 19:11-21 is being referred to, I am not sure that any striking or slaying is said to be done other than by He who is called "The Word of God". At that point judgement has been given into His All-sufficient Hand.Ernie wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2026 7:04 amI have no idea how things will be in the next life,ken_sylvania wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2026 9:36 pm
I'm not even sure how to interpret that? That sounds like the people who, when God asks them to do something, ask if they can't do something else for Him instead of what he asked them to do.
but my point is, if I am asked in this life to have my mind and heart renewed and transformed to be like the mind of Christ, and I enter the next world in the same frame of mind that I am in now, I expect that Christ will understand my hesitancy to take up the sword.
But whether or not he will ask me to do that is beyond my realm of knowledge or understanding as a human on this earth.
I trust the Judge of all the earth and will wait to see what is in store for us.
“He who overcomes, and he who keeps my works to the end, to him I will give authority over the nations. He will rule them with a rod of iron, shattering them like clay pots; as I also have received of my Father.”
Revelation 17:14 — “They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.”
Revelation 19:11-15
11 I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war. 12 His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. 14 The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.” He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty.
I read Revelation as apocalyptic-symbolic-metaphoric so I don't know what the saints will do or not do.
Others read these things very literally. My comments were made lightly, while recognizing that if it turns out that Revelation to be very literal, then there are things that will need to be resolved in my mind and heart in some way.
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A wee little man can’t say, I’m sorry. A big man owns his mistakes and apologizes.
A wee little man trusts himself and his own discernment. A big man is humble enough to know that he needs the counsel and input of others.
A wee little man trusts himself and his own discernment. A big man is humble enough to know that he needs the counsel and input of others.