Bootstrap wrote:JohnHurt wrote:]The question that won't be answered is this:
Who changed the Sabbath from the 7th day to the 1st? By whose authority was this change made?
This question has been answered at least a dozen times in this thread, starting very early, but you keep saying it hasn't been. Nobody changed the Sabbath from the 7th day to the 1st.
The 1st is The Lord's Day, in honor of his resurrection.
If I were to ask, "by whose authority has the 1st day been made into a worship or rest day, in honor of Christ's resurrection", I am certain I would get the same answer.
Your Ad Hominem Tu quoque attacks - against my person based on statements made I made elsewhere, are irrelevant to the logic of this argument, in that these statements that you attack are not the basis of my position for the current argument. That is, bringing up statements about Paul has nothing to do with the current subject.
And your appeal to the Bible canon is a red herring to distract everyone from the question I have asked.
Per your request, I have not spoken about the contradictions between the doctrines of Paul and Christ. Yet, these old statements I made on another thread, are brought up, whenever a painful question is asked.
The three Catholic holy days that nearly every Protestant keeps are:
1. The Sabbath was changed to Sunday
2. The Computus, or computation of Easter, to replace Passover
3. The Birth of Christ on December 25th
These innovations were all added by the 2nd to 4th century Catholic church. Christ and His Apostles never worshiped on Sunday, they did not invent Easter, and Christ was not born on December 25th. Men have created all of these innovations.
Many of us have too much invested in a church title, a church hierarchy, or a paid church job to ever challenge these changes. That is why Christ condemned who should be the greatest, or titles of Father, Rabbi, or Master, and said that "freely give, freely you have received."
And to quote Paul, even Paul tells you not to judge me in meat, or drink, or my respect of a holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days.
Because Paul tell you that these "are a shadow of things to come". Col 2:16-17 That is, even Paul knew that these Holy days established by God would be kept in full in the future.
Isaiah speaks of the Sabbath being kept after the formation of the new heaven and new earth:
Isaiah 66:(22) For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
(23) And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
(24) And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.
He also speaks about the return of Christ earlier in that chapter (66:15-17), and the result of His displeasure with our modern churches.
Zechariah 14 speaks of the return of Christ, and that every nation will keep the feast of Tabernacles. (Zechariah 14:16-19)
But if your eyes are darkened and you won't give up the man-made December 25, and will not give up the man-made Easter for Passover, then you won't give up Sunday and replace it with the Sabbath day either. I am talking to the wrong people.
But here is some information for you:
The Sabbath was the day that Christ went to church:
Luke 4: (16) And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
Christ said the Sabbath was made for us, and that the Sabbath was His day:
Mark 2:(27) And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
(28) Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
This was the day that Christ taught his followers:
Luke 4:(31) And came down to Capernaum, a city of Galilee, and taught them on the sabbath days.
Luke 6:(6) And it came to pass also on another sabbath, that he entered into the synagogue and taught: and there was a man whose right hand was withered.
So it is much more obvious that the Sabbath is the Lord's day in Revelation 1:10, not the Sunday invented by the churches.
So, you have asked me, how I have the authority to challenge the church opinion of Sunday worship: I trust only in Christ, and not man.
For man has changed the Sabbath to Sunday, not Christ or YHVH.
It has been interesting talking to you. You don't have to respond to this, because the only thing you can do is to attack me personally again on some other issue.
And so I will answer my own question: Who had the authority to change the Sabbath to Sunday? The Catholic church did:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabbath#S ... _First-day
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The Roman emperor Constantine the Great enacted the first civil law regarding Sunday observance in 321 AD. The law did not mention the Sabbath by name, but referred only to a day of rest on “the venerable day of the sun.”
On the venerable day of the sun let the magistrate and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country however, persons engaged in agricultural work may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits; because it often happens that another day is not so suitable for grain growing or for vine planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost.[7]
An Abridgment of the Christian Doctrine:
Q. How prove you that the church hath power to command feasts and holy days?
A. By the very act of changing the Sabbath into Sunday, which Protestants allow of; and therefore they fondly contradict themselves, by keeping Sunday strictly, and breaking most other feasts commanded by the same church.
Q. How prove you that?
A. Because by keeping Sunday, they acknowledge the church’s power to ordain feasts, and to command them under sin; and by not keeping the rest [of the feasts] by her commanded, they again deny, in fact, the same power.[8]
The Augsburg Confession:
They [the Catholics] allege the Sabbath changed into Sunday, the Lord’s day, contrary to the decalogue, as it appears; neither is there any example more boasted of than the changing of the Sabbath day. Great, they say, is the power and authority of the church, since it dispensed with one of the ten commandments.[9]
A Doctrinal Catechism,
Q. Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?
A. Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her. She could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.[10]
Catholic Christian:
Q. Has the [Catholic] church power to make any alterations in the commandments of God?
A. ...Instead of the seventh day, and other festivals appointed by the old law, the church has prescribed the Sundays and holy days to be set apart for God’s worship; and these we are now obliged to keep in consequence of God’s commandment, instead of the ancient Sabbath.[11]
The Catechism of the Council of Trent:
The Church of God has thought it well to transfer the celebration and observance of the Sabbath to Sunday![12]
Take care, and no, you don't have to respond to me anymore.
John