Natural (God given) immunity is superior

[mennonitemom1]

Honestly, I don't think the Amish are any more susceptible to medical fraud and quackery than anyone else. It pervades every corner of this country including highly educated liberal communities too. I think they are wrong about vaccines, to the extent that they are vaccine-resistant. But I don't think they worse about health in general than anyone else. In fact, must of the rest of the country is probably less healthy, less active, and in worse shape.

In the modern era, basically everything is quackery. One just has to decide which quack they trust the most.

My wife’s family likes “natural doctors” (they even go by N.D.) that serve up a mixture of stuff that makes no sense to me along with very good ideas mostly about more “holistic” healthy living (like “don’t eat so much junk food, go outside more”, etc)

This woman used to be a nurse (she is married to a doctor)- she posted this:

I WAS A NURSE. At one of the best children’s hospitals in the country. I started having doubts and asking questions about the medical model. I wanted to help people, TRULY help people, not hide behind hidden agendas and cover up symptoms. Asking the right questions and helping people before they have to end up there is why I chose to leave…

Sᴏᴍᴇᴏɴᴇ ᴛᴇʟʟ ᴍᴇ ᴡʜʏ…

Wʜʏ ᴅᴏɴ’ᴛ ᴅᴏᴄᴛᴏʀs ᴛᴇʟʟ ʏᴏᴜ ᴛᴏ ᴛᴀᴋᴇ ᴍᴀɢɴᴇsɪᴜᴍ ɪɴsᴛᴇᴀᴅ ᴏꜰ sᴛᴏᴏʟ sᴏꜰᴛᴇɴᴇʀs (ᴡʜɪᴄʜ ᴅᴇʜʏᴅʀᴀᴛᴇs ᴛʜᴇ ʙᴏᴡᴇʟ)

Wʜʏ Dᴏɴ’ᴛ ᴅᴏᴄᴛᴏʀs ᴛᴇʟʟ ʏᴏᴜ ᴛᴏ ᴄʜᴀɴɢᴇ ʏᴏᴜʀ ᴅɪᴇᴛ ᴡʜᴇɴ ʏᴏᴜ ʜᴀᴠᴇ ʜᴇᴀʀᴛʙᴜʀɴ ᴀɴᴅ ɪɴᴅɪɢᴇsᴛɪᴏɴ ɪɴsᴛᴇᴀᴅ ᴏꜰ ɢɪᴠɪɴɢ ʏᴏᴜ Pʀɪʟᴏsᴇᴄ? (Tʜɪs ᴄᴀɴ ɪɴꜰʟᴜᴇɴᴄᴇ ᴍᴏʀᴇ ʜᴇᴀʀᴛʙᴜʀɴ, ᴄᴏʟᴏɴ ᴄᴀɴᴄᴇʀ & ᴏsᴛᴇᴏᴘᴏʀᴏsɪs ᴀɴᴅ ɪᴛ ᴄᴀɴ ʟᴇᴀᴠᴇ ꜰᴏᴏᴅ ꜰᴇʀᴍᴇɴᴛɪɴɢ ɪɴ ʏᴏᴜʀ ʙᴏᴅʏ.)

Wʜʏ ᴅᴏɴ’ᴛ ᴅᴏᴄᴛᴏʀs ᴛᴇʟʟ ʏᴏᴜ ᴛʜᴀᴛ ʜᴇʀʙs ᴀɴᴅ ᴄᴇʀᴛᴀɪɴ ꜰᴏᴏᴅs ᴄᴀɴ ᴀʟsᴏ ʜᴇᴀʟ?

Wʜʏ ᴅᴏɴ’ᴛ ᴅᴏᴄᴛᴏʀs ᴛᴇʟʟ ʏᴏᴜ ᴛᴏ ʟᴏᴡᴇʀ ᴛᴏxɪᴄ ᴄʜᴇᴍɪᴄᴀʟs ɪɴ ʏᴏᴜʀ ʜᴏᴍᴇ ᴡʜᴇɴ ʏᴏᴜ ʜᴀᴠᴇ ᴄᴏɴsᴛᴀɴᴛ ʜᴇᴀᴅᴀᴄʜᴇs ᴀɴᴅ ᴀʟʟᴇʀɢɪᴇs? (Tʜᴇsᴇ ꜰʀᴀɢʀᴀɴᴄᴇs & ᴄʜᴇᴍɪᴄᴀʟs ᴄᴀᴜsᴇ ᴛᴏxɪᴄ ʙᴜɪʟᴅᴜᴘ ɪɴ ᴏᴜʀ ᴄᴇʟʟs ᴡʜɪᴄʜ ᴄᴀɴ ᴄᴀᴜsᴇ ᴍᴏʀᴇ ᴀʟʟᴇʀɢɪᴇs ᴀɴᴅ ʜᴇᴀᴅᴀᴄʜᴇs.)

Wʜʏ ᴀʀᴇɴ’ᴛ ʏᴏᴜ ɪɴꜰᴏʀᴍᴇᴅ ʙʏ ʏᴏᴜʀ ᴅᴏᴄᴛᴏʀ ᴛʜᴀᴛ ɪꜰ ʏᴏᴜ ᴇᴀᴛ sᴏᴍᴇᴛʜɪɴɢ ʟɪᴋᴇ ᴀ ɢʀᴀᴘᴇꜰʀᴜɪᴛ ᴇᴠᴇʀʏ ᴅᴀʏ, ɪᴛ ᴡɪʟʟ sᴜᴘᴘᴏʀᴛ ʟᴏᴡᴇʀ ʙʟᴏᴏᴅ ᴘʀᴇssᴜʀᴇ ɴᴀᴛᴜʀᴀʟʟʏ ᴀɴᴅ ʏᴏᴜ ᴅᴏɴ’ᴛ ɴᴇᴇᴅ ᴍᴇᴅɪᴄᴀᴛɪᴏɴs? (Tʜɪs ɪs ᴡʜʏ ᴀ ᴘᴇʀsᴏɴ ᴄᴀɴ’ᴛ ᴇᴀᴛ ɪᴛ ᴡʜɪʟᴇ ᴏɴ ʙʟᴏᴏᴅ ᴘʀᴇssᴜʀᴇ ᴍᴇᴅs)

Wʜʏ ᴅᴏᴇsɴ’ᴛ ʏᴏᴜʀ ᴅᴏᴄᴛᴏʀ ᴛᴇʟʟ ʏᴏᴜ ᴛᴏ ᴛᴀᴋᴇ ᴀᴄᴛɪᴠᴀᴛᴇᴅ ᴄʜᴀʀᴄᴏᴀʟ ꜰᴏʀ ʜᴇᴀᴅᴀᴄʜᴇs, ʙʟᴏᴀᴛɪɴɢ/ɢᴀs, sᴋɪɴ ɪssᴜᴇs, ᴄᴏʟᴅs, ꜰᴏᴏᴅ ᴘᴏɪsᴏɴɪɴɢ? (Aᴄᴛɪᴠᴀᴛᴇᴅ ᴄʜᴀʀᴄᴏᴀʟ ʙᴏɴᴅs ᴡᴀsᴛᴇ/ᴛᴏxɪɴs ꜰᴏʀ ᴛʜᴇ ʀᴇᴍᴏᴠᴀʟ ꜰʀᴏᴍ ᴛʜᴇ ʙᴏᴅʏ.)

Wʜʏ ᴅᴏɴ’ᴛ ᴅᴏᴄᴛᴏʀs ᴛᴇʟʟ ʏᴏᴜ ᴀʙᴏᴜᴛ ʜᴇʀʙs ᴀɴᴅ ʜᴇʀʙᴀʟ ᴛᴇᴀs ᴛᴏ sᴜᴘᴘᴏʀᴛ ɪᴍᴍᴜɴᴇ ᴀɴᴅ ᴅɪɢᴇsᴛɪᴠᴇ ꜰᴜɴᴄᴛɪᴏɴs? (Dɪꜰꜰᴇʀᴇɴᴛ ʜᴇʀʙs ʜᴇʟᴘ ᴅɪꜰꜰᴇʀᴇɴᴛ ᴏʀɢᴀɴs ᴅᴏ ᴛʜᴇɪʀ ᴊᴏʙs ᴛᴏ ᴋᴇᴇᴘ ᴛʜᴇ ʙᴏᴅʏ ʜᴇᴀʟᴛʜʏ.)

Wʜʏ ɪsɴ’ᴛ ʏᴏᴜʀ ᴅᴏᴄᴛᴏʀ sᴜɢɢᴇsᴛɪɴɢ ᴛᴏ ᴛᴀᴋᴇ ᴀ ᴘʀᴏʙɪᴏᴛɪᴄ ᴅᴀɪʟʏ? (Tʜɪs ʜᴇʟᴘs sᴜᴘᴘᴏʀᴛ ʜᴇᴀʟᴛʜʏ ɪᴍᴍᴜɴᴇ ꜰᴜɴᴄᴛɪᴏɴs, ᴄʟᴇᴀɴ ᴀɴᴅ ʙᴀʟᴀɴᴄᴇ ᴛʜᴇ ʙᴏᴡᴇʟs, ʀᴇɢᴜʟᴀᴛᴇ ᴀʙsᴏʀᴘᴛɪᴏɴ ᴀɴᴅ ᴇʟɪᴍɪɴᴀᴛɪᴏɴ, ᴀɴᴅ ʜᴇʟᴘs ᴋᴇᴇᴘ ᴄᴏʟᴅs ᴀɴᴅ ᴀʟʟᴇʀɢɪᴇs ᴀᴛ ʙᴀʏ.)

Wʜʏ ᴅᴏɴ’ᴛ ᴅᴏᴄᴛᴏʀs ᴄʀᴇᴀᴛᴇ ᴅɪᴇᴛ/ʟɪꜰᴇsᴛʏʟᴇ ᴘʟᴀɴs ꜰᴏʀ ᴘᴀᴛɪᴇɴᴛs ɪɴsᴛᴇᴀᴅ ᴏꜰ ᴏꜰꜰᴇʀɪɴɢ ᴘɪʟʟs? (Dɪᴇᴛ & ʟɪꜰᴇsᴛʏʟᴇ ᴄʜᴏɪᴄᴇs ᴀʀᴇ ᴀ ᴍᴀᴊᴏʀ ᴄᴀᴜsᴇ ᴏꜰ ᴀʟʟ ɪʟʟɴᴇssᴇs)

Wʜʏ ᴅᴏɴ’ᴛ ᴅᴏᴄᴛᴏʀs ᴛᴇʟʟ ʏᴏᴜ ᴛᴏ ᴛᴀᴋᴇ sᴜᴘᴘʟᴇᴍᴇɴᴛs ᴛᴏ sᴜᴘᴘᴏʀᴛ ʏᴏᴜʀ ʜᴇᴀʟᴛʜ ᴘʀɪᴏʀ ᴛᴏ ʙᴇᴄᴏᴍɪɴɢ sɪᴄᴋ? (Sᴜᴘᴘʟᴇᴍᴇɴᴛs & ʜᴇʀʙs ᴄᴀɴ ᴘʀᴇᴠᴇɴᴛ ɪʟʟɴᴇss ʙʏ sᴜᴘᴘᴏʀᴛɪɴɢ ɪᴍᴍᴜɴᴇ ꜰᴜɴᴄᴛɪᴏɴ ᴀɴᴅ ᴠᴀʀɪᴏᴜs ᴏʀɢᴀɴs ᴡɪᴛʜ ᴛʜᴇɪʀ ɴᴀᴛᴜʀᴀʟ ꜰᴜɴᴄᴛɪᴏɴs.)

Wʜʏ ᴅᴏɴ’ᴛ ᴅᴏᴄᴛᴏʀs ᴛᴇᴀᴄʜ ʏᴏᴜ ᴛʜᴀᴛ ʏᴏᴜʀ ᴇᴍᴏᴛɪᴏɴs sᴛᴏʀᴇᴅ ɪɴ ʏᴏᴜʀ ᴘʜʏsɪᴄᴀʟ ʙᴏᴅʏ ᴄᴀɴ ᴄᴀᴜsᴇ ʏᴏᴜ ᴍᴇɴᴛᴀʟ ᴀɴɢᴜɪsʜ, ɪɴsᴛᴇᴀᴅ ᴛʜᴇʏ sᴀʏ ʏᴏᴜ ɴᴇᴇᴅ ᴍᴇᴅɪᴄᴀᴛɪᴏɴs? (Eᴍᴏᴛɪᴏɴs ᴄᴀɴ ᴘʟᴀʏ ᴀ ᴠᴇʀʏ sɪɢɴɪꜰɪᴄᴀɴᴛ ʀᴏʟᴇ ɪɴ ᴏᴜʀ ᴛᴏᴛᴀʟ ʜᴇᴀʟᴛʜ. Wɪᴛʜᴏᴜᴛ ᴛᴏᴏʟs ᴛᴏ ʜᴇʟᴘ ɴᴀᴠɪɢᴀᴛᴇ ᴏᴜʀ ᴇᴍᴏᴛɪᴏɴs ᴡᴇ ᴄᴀɴ ᴇᴀsɪʟʏ ʙᴇᴄᴏᴍᴇ ᴘʜʏsɪᴄᴀʟʟʏ ɪʟʟ)

Wʜʏ ᴅᴏɴ’ᴛ ᴅᴏᴄᴛᴏʀs ᴛᴀᴋᴇ ᴀ ʀᴇᴀʟ ʀᴏʟᴇ ɪɴ ʜᴇʟᴘɪɴɢ ᴘᴇᴏᴘʟᴇ ᴛᴏ ʟɪᴠᴇ ʜᴇᴀʟᴛʜɪᴇʀ ʟɪᴠᴇs?

Wʜʏ ᴅᴏ ᴛʜᴇʏ sᴇᴛ ᴜᴘ ᴛʜᴇsᴇ ᴘʀᴏᴛᴏᴄᴏʟs ᴏꜰ ᴘɪʟʟs ᴛʜᴀᴛ ᴍᴏsᴛ ᴏꜰ ᴛʜᴇᴍ ᴡᴏᴜʟᴅɴ’ᴛ ᴇᴠᴇɴ ᴛᴀᴋᴇ?

Wʜʏ ᴀʀᴇɴ’ᴛ ᴡᴇ ʙᴇɪɴɢ ʜᴇʟᴘᴇᴅ ᴛᴏ ʙᴇ ʜᴇᴀʟᴛʜʏ ʙᴇꜰᴏʀᴇ ᴡᴇ ɢᴇᴛ sɪᴄᴋ?

Tʜɪs ɴᴇᴇᴅs ᴛᴏ ᴄʜᴀɴɢᴇ!

REAL HEALTH IS POSSIBLE!
IT IS POSSIBLE TO LIVE GOOD!

Wᴇ ᴊᴜsᴛ ᴀʀᴇɴ’ᴛ ɢᴇᴛᴛɪɴɢ ᴛʜᴇ ʀɪɢʜᴛ ɪɴꜰᴏʀᴍᴀᴛɪᴏɴ...

Doctors get paid vacations and fancy dinners when they prescribe pharmaceutical drugs…. This is a conflict of interest and unfortunately will probably never change….

[Ken]

I know a woman, a daughter of a realtor I worked for years ago that was going to med school in Seattle to be a homeopathic physician. Her education required more than what a conventional doctor did, at least that's what her parents told me.

I think you were misinformed. The typical naturopathic physician training program is a 3 or 4 year program and many schools do not require a previous college degree so you can enter at age 18 as a HS graduate. Here is one that is a 3-year online or correspondence course: https://www.homeopathyschool.com/courses/study-options/ You can study one weekend a month for 10 months/year. Their clinical training is 100 hours which is basically one ordinary weekends worth of experience for the typical medical resident: https://www.homeopathyschool.com/course ... -training/ This one claims to be the oldest and largest in the US and is a 4-year program so a bit more rigorous but with no prerequisite of having a previous college degree: https://nyhomeopathy.com/

By contrast, someone training to become a medical doctor follows the following pathway

Undergraduate pre-med education (4 years)
Medical school (4 years)
Primary care residency (3 years)
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Total 11 years minimum.

For surgical subspecialties and other specialty fields of medicine there are often additional years of residency required and sometimes graduate fellowships which push the training out to 15 years or beyond.

Med school is also orders of magnitude more selective. The nationwide med school acceptance rate is 6.4% Top schools have acceptance rates in the 1% range. https://bemoacademicconsulting.com/blog ... statistics By contrast the typical homeopathic school is non-competitive. They basically take anyone who can pay the tuition.

[mennonitemom1]

Wow, so imagine when “they” have power over you….(if you’re a a doctor) they basically have complete control…. All they have to do is say, “we’ll take your license” and the drs are basically at the mercy of the criminals in charge…. The doctors have already invested YEARS of their’ lives and all that money!! No wonder they won’t prescribe ivermectin even though they know it can save their patients! The good ones will stand up, but most are basically bought and owned now…. I’ve experienced all this first hand by being a patient with a tick-borne illness… the cdc tells the doctors what they CAN and CANNOT do…. And if they don’t comply, their licenses are revoked…so people with tick born illness end up going to natural stuff because the doctors are not “allowed” to give them long enough courses of antibiotics to cure their infections….. sorry if I got off-track….

[ken_sylvania]

I know a woman, a daughter of a realtor I worked for years ago that was going to med school in Seattle to be a homeopathic physician. Her education required more than what a conventional doctor did, at least that's what her parents told me.

I think you were misinformed. The typical naturopathic physician training program is a 3 or 4 year program and many schools do not require a previous college degree so you can enter at age 18 as a HS graduate. Here is one that is a 3-year online or correspondence course: https://www.homeopathyschool.com/courses/study-options/ You can study one weekend a month for 10 months/year. Their clinical training is 100 hours which is basically one ordinary weekends worth of experience for the typical medical resident: https://www.homeopathyschool.com/course ... -training/ This one claims to be the oldest and largest in the US and is a 4-year program so a bit more rigorous but with no prerequisite of having a previous college degree: https://nyhomeopathy.com/

By contrast, someone training to become a medical doctor follows the following pathway

Undergraduate pre-med education (4 years)
Medical school (4 years)
Primary care residency (3 years)
------------------------------------------------------
Total 11 years minimum.

For surgical subspecialties and other specialty fields of medicine there are often additional years of residency required and sometimes graduate fellowships which push the training out to 15 years or beyond.

Med school is also orders of magnitude more selective. The nationwide med school acceptance rate is 6.4% Top schools have acceptance rates in the 1% range. https://bemoacademicconsulting.com/blog ... statistics By contrast the typical homeopathic school is non-competitive. They basically take anyone who can pay the tuition.

How can a medical resident get 100 hours of experience in an ordinary weekend? Seems a person would need to count their hours like a lawyer counts his billable hours in order to get that....

[Ken]

I know a woman, a daughter of a realtor I worked for years ago that was going to med school in Seattle to be a homeopathic physician. Her education required more than what a conventional doctor did, at least that's what her parents told me.

I think you were misinformed. The typical naturopathic physician training program is a 3 or 4 year program and many schools do not require a previous college degree so you can enter at age 18 as a HS graduate. Here is one that is a 3-year online or correspondence course: https://www.homeopathyschool.com/courses/study-options/ You can study one weekend a month for 10 months/year. Their clinical training is 100 hours which is basically one ordinary weekends worth of experience for the typical medical resident: https://www.homeopathyschool.com/course ... -training/ This one claims to be the oldest and largest in the US and is a 4-year program so a bit more rigorous but with no prerequisite of having a previous college degree: https://nyhomeopathy.com/

By contrast, someone training to become a medical doctor follows the following pathway

Undergraduate pre-med education (4 years)
Medical school (4 years)
Primary care residency (3 years)
------------------------------------------------------
Total 11 years minimum.

For surgical subspecialties and other specialty fields of medicine there are often additional years of residency required and sometimes graduate fellowships which push the training out to 15 years or beyond.

Med school is also orders of magnitude more selective. The nationwide med school acceptance rate is 6.4% Top schools have acceptance rates in the 1% range. https://bemoacademicconsulting.com/blog ... statistics By contrast the typical homeopathic school is non-competitive. They basically take anyone who can pay the tuition.

How can a medical resident get 100 hours of experience in an ordinary weekend? Seems a person would need to count their hours like a lawyer counts his billable hours in order to get that....

Yeah, my math is off. It would be a couple of weekends. They don't do it so much now but things like 36 hour shifts used to be common in residency. Since 2003 medical residents are restricted to no more than 80 hour work weeks calculated on a 4-week average. That would be about 4000 clinical hours per year or 12,000 clinical hours in 3-year residency. They probably don't work quite that hard on a consistent basis but we are still talking about maybe 10,000 clinical hours of experience on top of medical school before primary care doctors attain board certification in their specialty. Up to double that for doctors who pursue some subspecialties.

[Valerie]

I know a woman, a daughter of a realtor I worked for years ago that was going to med school in Seattle to be a homeopathic physician. Her education required more than what a conventional doctor did, at least that's what her parents told me.

I think you were misinformed. The typical naturopathic physician training program is a 3 or 4 year program and many schools do not require a previous college degree so you can enter at age 18 as a HS graduate. Here is one that is a 3-year online or correspondence course: https://www.homeopathyschool.com/courses/study-options/ You can study one weekend a month for 10 months/year. Their clinical training is 100 hours which is basically one ordinary weekends worth of experience for the typical medical resident: https://www.homeopathyschool.com/course ... -training/ This one claims to be the oldest and largest in the US and is a 4-year program so a bit more rigorous but with no prerequisite of having a previous college degree: https://nyhomeopathy.com/

By contrast, someone training to become a medical doctor follows the following pathway

Undergraduate pre-med education (4 years)
Medical school (4 years)
Primary care residency (3 years)
------------------------------------------------------
Total 11 years minimum.

For surgical subspecialties and other specialty fields of medicine there are often additional years of residency required and sometimes graduate fellowships which push the training out to 15 years or beyond.

Med school is also orders of magnitude more selective. The nationwide med school acceptance rate is 6.4% Top schools have acceptance rates in the 1% range. https://bemoacademicconsulting.com/blog ... statistics By contrast the typical homeopathic school is non-competitive. They basically take anyone who can pay the tuition.

I need to ask them what her degree was in because i remember them explaining this at the time, i worked for them 17 years & i will get back to you- i just remember being so surprised

[ohio jones]

Just what is your definition of quackery?

If he or she carries mallardpractice insurance, it's probably quackery.

[Sudsy]

[Ken]

I need to ask them what her degree was in because i remember them explaining this at the time, i worked for them 17 years & i will get back to you- i just remember being so surprised

There is an enormous difference between:

1. Someone who went to traditional medical school, residency, and is board certified in a specialty like internal medicine and has picked up some naturopathic or homeopathy training in ADDITION to their medical training. There are traditional doctors who have picked up all kinds of side-specialties like expertise in herbal remedies, traditional Chinese medicine, acupuncture, yoga, psychotherapy, etc.

2. Someone who's only training is in homeopathy and has a typical 3 or 4 year degree in homeopathic medicine.

[Josh]

There is an enormous difference between:

1. Someone who went to traditional medical school, residency, and is board certified in a specialty like internal medicine and has picked up some naturopathic or homeopathy training in ADDITION to their medical training. There are traditional doctors who have picked up all kinds of side-specialties like expertise in herbal remedies, traditional Chinese medicine, acupuncture, yoga, psychotherapy, etc.

2. Someone who's only training is in homeopathy and has a typical 3 or 4 year degree in homeopathic medicine.

One can actually get quite advanced training in homeopathy; of course, that doesn't make it any less hogwash. A lot of these "alternative medicine" types of treatments are gaining currency in the mainstream.

In Australia, "traditional Chinese medicine" now can be reimbursed by government health plans, has boards and licensure, and requires lots of education. Unfortunately, none of that makes it any better.

Mainstream medicine is going to lose the war in attacking alternative medicine as not having enough education or credentials. (In terms of total number of people in the world, most people choose traditional medicine over conventional, Western medicine.) Instead of attacking anything alternative, mainstream medicine would do best to simply try to show good results and abandon its current approach of coercion.