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JohnH wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2026 7:29 am

One could well accuse me of the same thing. Trudy also has an axe to grind with non-conservative Anabaptist men (like Steve Stutzman), conservative women, and non conservative women who seemingly find endless problems with victims speaking up, advocates speaking up, but mysteriously never want to hold abusers themselves accountable.

Grace wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2026 9:18 am Her latest axe to grind is against Anabaptist men who think women should refrain from wearing slacks.

Grace wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2026 9:18 am

JohnH wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2026 7:29 am

One could well accuse me of the same thing. Trudy also has an axe to grind with non-conservative Anabaptist men (like Steve Stutzman), conservative women, and non conservative women who seemingly find endless problems with victims speaking up, advocates speaking up, but mysteriously never want to hold abusers themselves accountable.

Her latest axe to grind is against Anabaptist men who think women should refrain from wearing slacks. Her FB posts about this issue came from an article a conservative Anabaptist Man wrote about protecting the modesty of women and a certain phrase he used concerning that matter. Those Anabaptist men deserve to be poked fun at, joked about and denigrated. Her and her followers feel that if women should be required to wear skirts/dresses, so should the men! I would post some of the comments and photos she allowed and responded to, but I am not sure they would be allowed here.

On a side note, now I will await the condemnation of those who feel Trudy should ALWAYS be venerated and is sacrosanct. Her work to expose abuse is important, but engaging in this type of stupidness is another tactic that is very revealing and is counterproductive to her work.

Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2026 10:18 am

Grace wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2026 9:18 am

JohnH wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2026 7:29 am

One could well accuse me of the same thing. Trudy also has an axe to grind with non-conservative Anabaptist men (like Steve Stutzman), conservative women, and non conservative women who seemingly find endless problems with victims speaking up, advocates speaking up, but mysteriously never want to hold abusers themselves accountable.

Her latest axe to grind is against Anabaptist men who think women should refrain from wearing slacks. Her FB posts about this issue came from an article a conservative Anabaptist Man wrote about protecting the modesty of women and a certain phrase he used concerning that matter. Those Anabaptist men deserve to be poked fun at, joked about and denigrated. Her and her followers feel that if women should be required to wear skirts/dresses, so should the men! I would post some of the comments and photos she allowed and responded to, but I am not sure they would be allowed here.

On a side note, now I will await the condemnation of those who feel Trudy should ALWAYS be venerated and is sacrosanct. Her work to expose abuse is important, but engaging in this type of stupidness is another tactic that is very revealing and is counterproductive to her work.

And leads those who are honest to the conclusion that she will not rest until plain Anabaptist culture is exterminated. What her father did is reprehensible, but there seems to be projection of that on all men. This simply lacks credibility.

anndet92 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2026 10:26 am [
Or, maybe she is making the point that it is inconsistent for Anabaptists to be against women wearing slacks while there is serious evidence of sexual abuse, misconduct, and rape perpetrated by the very people who adhere to a very high standard of “modest.

I understand why some people feel like Trudy and others are out to annihilate Anabaptist culture. Asking hard questions and pointing out inconsistencies should be an opportunity for Anabaptists to become more safe. However, it’s probably not going to feel good for those who are die-hard, “our-church-is-great-like-it-is” kind of folks.

I know the rude awakening I got. It broke me.

I extend grace to you, and I pray that God gives you wisdom.

R7ehr wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2026 10:35 am

anndet92 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2026 10:26 am [
Or, maybe she is making the point that it is inconsistent for Anabaptists to be against women wearing slacks while there is serious evidence of sexual abuse, misconduct, and rape perpetrated by the very people who adhere to a very high standard of “modest.

I understand why some people feel like Trudy and others are out to annihilate Anabaptist culture. Asking hard questions and pointing out inconsistencies should be an opportunity for Anabaptists to become more safe. However, it’s probably not going to feel good for those who are die-hard, “our-church-is-great-like-it-is” kind of folks.

I know the rude awakening I got. It broke me.

I extend grace to you, and I pray that God gives you wisdom.

Few like inconsistency, myself quite included. And yet to see this false dichotomy proffered as if it were of some helpful utility, did remind me of the Ralph Waldo Emerson quote “A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.”

Modest appearel is not in conflict with a pure culture or people.

anndet92 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2026 10:46 am

R7ehr wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2026 10:35 am

anndet92 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2026 10:26 am [
Or, maybe she is making the point that it is inconsistent for Anabaptists to be against women wearing slacks while there is serious evidence of sexual abuse, misconduct, and rape perpetrated by the very people who adhere to a very high standard of “modest.

I understand why some people feel like Trudy and others are out to annihilate Anabaptist culture. Asking hard questions and pointing out inconsistencies should be an opportunity for Anabaptists to become more safe. However, it’s probably not going to feel good for those who are die-hard, “our-church-is-great-like-it-is” kind of folks.

I know the rude awakening I got. It broke me.

I extend grace to you, and I pray that God gives you wisdom.

Few like inconsistency, myself quite included. And yet to see this false dichotomy proffered as if it were of some helpful utility, did remind me of the Ralph Waldo Emerson quote “A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.”

Modest appearel is not in conflict with a pure culture or people.

I agree that’s it’s not in conflict; however, there’s an undercurrent (at least in my experience) in regards to modesty supposedly protecting women and children from abuse. It isn’t always outright taught but the rumblings are still there. One example of this: CLP teaches this to high school aged girls in Home EC. Another example: when CAM kidnapping happened, one of the men claimed that the women were protected because they were modest.

That’s wrong and needs called out.

Also, modesty has much more to do with wealth than clothing.

R7ehr wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2026 10:35 am

anndet92 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2026 10:26 am [
Or, maybe she is making the point that it is inconsistent for Anabaptists to be against women wearing slacks while there is serious evidence of sexual abuse, misconduct, and rape perpetrated by the very people who adhere to a very high standard of “modest.

I understand why some people feel like Trudy and others are out to annihilate Anabaptist culture. Asking hard questions and pointing out inconsistencies should be an opportunity for Anabaptists to become more safe. However, it’s probably not going to feel good for those who are die-hard, “our-church-is-great-like-it-is” kind of folks.

I know the rude awakening I got. It broke me.

I extend grace to you, and I pray that God gives you wisdom.

Few like inconsistency, myself quite included. And yet to see this false dichotomy proffered as if it were of some helpful utility, did remind me of the Ralph Waldo Emerson quote “A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.”

Modest appearel is not in conflict with a pure culture or people.

joshuabgood wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2026 11:57 am

R7ehr wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2026 10:35 am

anndet92 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2026 10:26 am [
Or, maybe she is making the point that it is inconsistent for Anabaptists to be against women wearing slacks while there is serious evidence of sexual abuse, misconduct, and rape perpetrated by the very people who adhere to a very high standard of “modest.

I understand why some people feel like Trudy and others are out to annihilate Anabaptist culture. Asking hard questions and pointing out inconsistencies should be an opportunity for Anabaptists to become more safe. However, it’s probably not going to feel good for those who are die-hard, “our-church-is-great-like-it-is” kind of folks.

I know the rude awakening I got. It broke me.

I extend grace to you, and I pray that God gives you wisdom.

Few like inconsistency, myself quite included. And yet to see this false dichotomy proffered as if it were of some helpful utility, did remind me of the Ralph Waldo Emerson quote “A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.”

Modest appearel is not in conflict with a pure culture or people.

No...but a hyper sexualized culture is.

Grace wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2026 9:18 am

JohnH wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2026 7:29 am

One could well accuse me of the same thing. Trudy also has an axe to grind with non-conservative Anabaptist men (like Steve Stutzman), conservative women, and non conservative women who seemingly find endless problems with victims speaking up, advocates speaking up, but mysteriously never want to hold abusers themselves accountable.

Her latest axe to grind is against Anabaptist men who think women should refrain from wearing slacks.