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La Gloria and Haran
Posted: Sun May 11, 2025 2:04 am
by Disciple of Christ
What is the background of the following colonies in Bolivia: La Gloria and Haran? What are their mother colonies? Are they Old Colony (Altkolonier) Mennonites? Any help is much appreciated. Thank you!
Re: La Gloria and Haran
Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2026 5:26 pm
by lmcdoss
Disciple of Christ wrote: ↑Sun May 11, 2025 2:04 am
What is the background of the following colonies in Bolivia: La Gloria and Haran? What are their mother colonies? Are they Old Colony (Altkolonier) Mennonites? Any help is much appreciated. Thank you!
La Gloria is evangelical.
Haran's mother colony is Gruenwald that is in fellowship with Lower Barton Creek, the most conservative anabaptist group in the world. All the residents of Haran and Gruenwald are of old colony origin.
Re: La Gloria and Haran
Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2026 11:55 pm
by JohnH
lmcdoss wrote: ↑Fri Aug 07, 2026 5:26 pm
Disciple of Christ wrote: ↑Sun May 11, 2025 2:04 am
What is the background of the following colonies in Bolivia: La Gloria and Haran? What are their mother colonies? Are they Old Colony (Altkolonier) Mennonites? Any help is much appreciated. Thank you!
La Gloria is evangelical.
Haran's mother colony is Gruenwald that is in fellowship with Lower Barton Creek, the most conservative anabaptist group in the world. All the residents of Haran and Gruenwald are of old colony origin.
I have heard rumblings that things are changing in Lower Barton Creek; some other group has come in and influenced them and persuaded them to get rebaptised in order to be more "spiritual" which (as always) comes along with more worldly practices.
Re: La Gloria and Haran
Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2026 5:44 am
by lmcdoss
JohnH wrote: ↑Fri Aug 07, 2026 11:55 pm
lmcdoss wrote: ↑Fri Aug 07, 2026 5:26 pm
Disciple of Christ wrote: ↑Sun May 11, 2025 2:04 am
What is the background of the following colonies in Bolivia: La Gloria and Haran? What are their mother colonies? Are they Old Colony (Altkolonier) Mennonites? Any help is much appreciated. Thank you!
La Gloria is evangelical.
Haran's mother colony is Gruenwald that is in fellowship with Lower Barton Creek, the most conservative anabaptist group in the world. All the residents of Haran and Gruenwald are of old colony origin.
I have heard rumblings that things are changing in Lower Barton Creek; some other group has come in and influenced them and persuaded them to get rebaptised in order to be more "spiritual" which (as always) comes along with more worldly practices.
You probably mean Upper Barton Creek that was noah hoover mennonites. They started leaving in 2017 for Birdwalk and roseville because of tourism. Some old order mennonites from Canada moved in, but the colony is pretty much empty.
Only other Low German mennonites would be able to influence the Lower Barton Creek on those matter because of language. They do not learn english in their schools( so they only learn the basic after school for trade) even though Belize's official language is english.
Re: La Gloria and Haran
Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2026 7:12 pm
by lmcdoss
JohnH wrote: ↑Fri Aug 07, 2026 11:55 pm
lmcdoss wrote: ↑Fri Aug 07, 2026 5:26 pm
Disciple of Christ wrote: ↑Sun May 11, 2025 2:04 am
What is the background of the following colonies in Bolivia: La Gloria and Haran? What are their mother colonies? Are they Old Colony (Altkolonier) Mennonites? Any help is much appreciated. Thank you!
La Gloria is evangelical.
Haran's mother colony is Gruenwald that is in fellowship with Lower Barton Creek, the most conservative anabaptist group in the world. All the residents of Haran and Gruenwald are of old colony origin.
I have heard rumblings that things are changing in Lower Barton Creek; some other group has come in and influenced them and persuaded them to get rebaptised in order to be more "spiritual" which (as always) comes along with more worldly practices.
Just out of curiosity where have you heard that?
Re: La Gloria and Haran
Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2026 8:09 pm
by JohnH
lmcdoss wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2026 7:12 pm
JohnH wrote: ↑Fri Aug 07, 2026 11:55 pm
lmcdoss wrote: ↑Fri Aug 07, 2026 5:26 pm
La Gloria is evangelical.
Haran's mother colony is Gruenwald that is in fellowship with Lower Barton Creek, the most conservative anabaptist group in the world. All the residents of Haran and Gruenwald are of old colony origin.
I have heard rumblings that things are changing in Lower Barton Creek; some other group has come in and influenced them and persuaded them to get rebaptised in order to be more "spiritual" which (as always) comes along with more worldly practices.
Just out of curiosity where have you heard that?
I think it would have been about the Upper community, but this came secondhand from someone who had recently visited another Hoover community.
Some group is running around Belize trying to do this, don't remember the name. I guess the Hoovers considered Belize a "lost cause" now. I can perhaps try to find out some more details.
Re: La Gloria and Haran
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2026 8:46 am
by lmcdoss
JohnH wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2026 8:09 pm
lmcdoss wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2026 7:12 pm
JohnH wrote: ↑Fri Aug 07, 2026 11:55 pm
I have heard rumblings that things are changing in Lower Barton Creek; some other group has come in and influenced them and persuaded them to get rebaptised in order to be more "spiritual" which (as always) comes along with more worldly practices.
Just out of curiosity where have you heard that?
I think it would have been about the Upper community, but this came secondhand from someone who had recently visited another Hoover community.
Some group is running around Belize trying to do this, don't remember the name. I guess the Hoovers considered Belize a "lost cause" now. I can perhaps try to find out some more details.
They are still growing in Belize though. There are always groups who try to target those who are more conservative. It happens all the time in Latin America against the Old Colony Mennonites.
would be great if you could get more details from that yes.
Re: La Gloria and Haran
Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2026 9:51 pm
by HansMacDonald
lmcdoss wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2026 5:44 am
JohnH wrote: ↑Fri Aug 07, 2026 11:55 pm
lmcdoss wrote: ↑Fri Aug 07, 2026 5:26 pm
La Gloria is evangelical.
Haran's mother colony is Gruenwald that is in fellowship with Lower Barton Creek, the most conservative anabaptist group in the world. All the residents of Haran and Gruenwald are of old colony origin.
I have heard rumblings that things are changing in Lower Barton Creek; some other group has come in and influenced them and persuaded them to get rebaptised in order to be more "spiritual" which (as always) comes along with more worldly practices.
You probably mean Upper Barton Creek that was noah hoover mennonites. They started leaving in 2017 for Birdwalk and roseville because of tourism. Some old order mennonites from Canada moved in, but the colony is pretty much empty.
Only other Low German mennonites would be able to influence the Lower Barton Creek on those matter because of language. They do not learn english in their schools( so they only learn the basic after school for trade) even though Belize's official language is english.
Do you know if the Noah Hoover community of Springfield, Belize is prospering still?
Re: La Gloria and Haran
Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2026 3:00 pm
by lmcdoss
HansMacDonald wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2026 9:51 pm
lmcdoss wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2026 5:44 am
JohnH wrote: ↑Fri Aug 07, 2026 11:55 pm
I have heard rumblings that things are changing in Lower Barton Creek; some other group has come in and influenced them and persuaded them to get rebaptised in order to be more "spiritual" which (as always) comes along with more worldly practices.
You probably mean Upper Barton Creek that was noah hoover mennonites. They started leaving in 2017 for Birdwalk and roseville because of tourism. Some old order mennonites from Canada moved in, but the colony is pretty much empty.
Only other Low German mennonites would be able to influence the Lower Barton Creek on those matter because of language. They do not learn english in their schools( so they only learn the basic after school for trade) even though Belize's official language is english.
Do you know if the Noah Hoover community of Springfield, Belize is prospering still?
Yes it is still prospering.
Re: La Gloria and Haran
Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2026 11:38 pm
by HansMacDonald
I have heard the EPMC is having success in gaining converts from the Old Colony Mennonites in Bolivia. The EPMC already has three congregations in Bolivia originating from the Old Colony Mennonites.