Anabaptism and Armageddon

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Anabaptism and Armageddon

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How is Armageddon conceptualised in Anabaptist World? Or is it explored at all?

Was sent this bit from another source and it sent my thoughts in your direction.
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Re: Anabaptism and Armageddon

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I've been in the conservative Anabaptist world for a little over 20 years. I do not recall Armageddon ever being mentioned, and (generally speaking) I doubt if there is a common imagery of the any such thing ... at least not in my local community.
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Josh

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Mayberry wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 11:41 am I've been in the conservative Anabaptist world for a little over 20 years. I do not recall Armageddon ever being mentioned, and (generally speaking) I doubt if there is a common imagery of the any such thing ... at least not in my local community.
I suspect it would only be heard around Anabaptists that are full-blown 7 age dispensationalists, hold to some kind of rapture doctrine, have Jonathan Cahn or Salem Kirban books on their shelves, etc.
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Josh wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:55 pmfull-blown 7 age dispensationalists, hold to some kind of rapture doctrine, have Jonathan Cahn or Salem Kirban books on their shelves, etc.
Were you saying among those who fit ALL those criteria, or just 1 or more...? :?
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Re: Anabaptism and Armageddon

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Josh wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:55 pm
Mayberry wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 11:41 am I've been in the conservative Anabaptist world for a little over 20 years. I do not recall Armageddon ever being mentioned, and (generally speaking) I doubt if there is a common imagery of the any such thing ... at least not in my local community.
I suspect it would only be heard around Anabaptists that are full-blown 7 age dispensationalists, hold to some kind of rapture doctrine, have Jonathan Cahn or Salem Kirban books on their shelves, etc.
Whats your interpretation of Rev 16:12-16? I assume you believe its happened already...but how, who, and what happened? In your view....
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Nomad wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 2:51 pm
Josh wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:55 pm
Mayberry wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 11:41 am I've been in the conservative Anabaptist world for a little over 20 years. I do not recall Armageddon ever being mentioned, and (generally speaking) I doubt if there is a common imagery of the any such thing ... at least not in my local community.
I suspect it would only be heard around Anabaptists that are full-blown 7 age dispensationalists, hold to some kind of rapture doctrine, have Jonathan Cahn or Salem Kirban books on their shelves, etc.
Whats your interpretation of Rev 16:12-16? I assume you believe its happened already...but how, who, and what happened? In your view....
I have no idea. It seems to be a future event, though.
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Heirbyadoption wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 2:46 pm
Josh wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:55 pmfull-blown 7 age dispensationalists, hold to some kind of rapture doctrine, have Jonathan Cahn or Salem Kirban books on their shelves, etc.
Were you saying among those who fit ALL those criteria, or just 1 or more...? :?
There are some groups (Easterns and Pilgrims?) that hold rather fast to 7 age dispensationalism. They tend to have the other trappings that go along with that like one would find amongst Independent Fundamental Baptists who also believe in 7 age Darbyist dispensationalism.
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Re: Anabaptism and Armageddon

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Josh wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 7:18 pm
Nomad wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 2:51 pm
Josh wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:55 pm

I suspect it would only be heard around Anabaptists that are full-blown 7 age dispensationalists, hold to some kind of rapture doctrine, have Jonathan Cahn or Salem Kirban books on their shelves, etc.
Whats your interpretation of Rev 16:12-16? I assume you believe its happened already...but how, who, and what happened? In your view....
I have no idea. It seems to be a future event, though.
So you have no opinion on the topic. But, you have no problem making assumptions and mocking people who do? Its pretty easy to mock everybody's view when you have no opinion...isn't it.

Most dispensational views are not surrounded around the "7 dispensations" or rapture. Actually, most dispensational people I read don't ever site Cahn or Kirban...hence the paper referred to here didn't either.

Have you ever heard of any of the people sited in this paper before now? (Walvoord, Zuck, etc...)
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Nomad wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 8:18 pm
Josh wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 7:18 pm
Nomad wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 2:51 pm

Whats your interpretation of Rev 16:12-16? I assume you believe its happened already...but how, who, and what happened? In your view....
I have no idea. It seems to be a future event, though.
So you have no opinion on the topic. But, you have no problem making assumptions and mocking people who do? Its pretty easy to mock everybody's view when you have no opinion...isn't it.

Most dispensational views are not surrounded around the "7 dispensations" or rapture. Actually, most dispensational people I read don't ever site Cahn or Kirban...hence the paper referred to here didn't either.

Have you ever heard of any of the people sited in this paper before now? (Walvoord, Zuck, etc...)
I don’t claim to understand 100% of biblical prophecy. I don’t agree with premillennial views, 7 age dispensationalism, Reformed or Reconstructionist preterism, or Darby-esque views on the rapture. I do find ways to avoid conflicts with people who do believe in those things tho.

Overall, the amillennial view is well attested, described, and has a solid intellectual basis; someone is free to take it or leave it. My history with other views is I have never seen them do anything except sow serious division and conflict amongst Christians.
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Re: Anabaptism and Armageddon

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Josh wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 12:50 am
Nomad wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 8:18 pm
Josh wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 7:18 pm

I have no idea. It seems to be a future event, though.
So you have no opinion on the topic. But, you have no problem making assumptions and mocking people who do? Its pretty easy to mock everybody's view when you have no opinion...isn't it.

Most dispensational views are not surrounded around the "7 dispensations" or rapture. Actually, most dispensational people I read don't ever site Cahn or Kirban...hence the paper referred to here didn't either.

Have you ever heard of any of the people sited in this paper before now? (Walvoord, Zuck, etc...)
I don’t claim to understand 100% of biblical prophecy. I don’t agree with premillennial views, 7 age dispensationalism, Reformed or Reconstructionist preterism, or Darby-esque views on the rapture. I do find ways to avoid conflicts with people who do believe in those things tho.

Overall, the amillennial view is well attested, described, and has a solid intellectual basis; someone is free to take it or leave it. My history with other views is I have never seen them do anything except sow serious division and conflict amongst Christians.
Oh there's plenty of divisive amill out there as well...you can find them. Just like any prophecy inclined folks who think there way is the best way..
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