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Sort of a grim topic but stay with me.

What is the perception towards using rehab facilities for members who need one? I realize these situations may not be as rampant as the world around us, but it still happens. Does it depend if it is faith-based, secular or church sponsored?

Feel free to give examples and tell stories where this has happened, obviously in a way that protects identities. I'm leaving this wide open to any type of facility that helps people overcome addiction and we can include mental health programs as well.

I have no agenda here, as is most of the time.

Rehab facilities are notoriously ineffective - most people who go into one end up using (or drinking) again. They're also really expensive.

AA is a pretty good choice for alcohol. The recovery rate is as low as 5%, but that's better than 0%.

Josh wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 3:47 pm Rehab facilities are notoriously ineffective - most people who go into one end up using (or drinking) again. They're also really expensive.

AA is a pretty good choice for alcohol. The recovery rate is as low as 5%, but that's better than 0%.

Depends on the type. Ultimately the patient is the only one who can change behavior, you can lead a horse to the water, but you can’t make them drink

Josh wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 3:47 pm Rehab facilities are notoriously ineffective - most people who go into one end up using (or drinking) again. They're also really expensive.

AA is a pretty good choice for alcohol. The recovery rate is as low as 5%, but that's better than 0%.

I tend to agree with Josh on this one. Yeah, I said I had no agenda, but perhaps I have an opinion

I have known of various people who went into such programs, from conservative Anabaptist circles, and came out more messed up. Or they relapsed rather quickly.

Paying an organization a bazillion dollars to "fix" someone is a scam. If one fails, its because the addict "didn't do the work" or "didn't do the steps."

steve-in-kville wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 3:55 pm
I tend to agree with Josh on this one. Yeah, I said I had no agenda, but perhaps I have an opinion

I have known of various people who went into such programs, from conservative Anabaptist circles, and came out more messed up. Or they relapsed rather quickly.

Paying an organization a bazillion dollars to "fix" someone is a scam. If one fails, its because the addict "didn't do the work" or "didn't do the steps."

While I’m not in favor of these centers to fix people, the last sentence contains the majority of the truth.

Josh wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 3:47 pm Rehab facilities are notoriously ineffective - most people who go into one end up using (or drinking) again. They're also really expensive.

AA is a pretty good choice for alcohol. The recovery rate is as low as 5%, but that's better than 0%.

I have read that AA is apparently not nearly as successful as it is touted to be. That was a shocker to me. But as you say, better than 0%

As was observed, the highest success is experienced by those who take full responsibility for themselves.
-Rehab facilities can be a start for detox.
-Once detoxed, the person then needs to progress to support groups.
-If there is family then the family needs to be taught how to provide support as well.

Both the person and the family must accept the fact that this will be a battle for the rest of the individual's life therein the person who is addicted will need to take responsibility for his/her actions and choices.

The fact that there is no cure, just vigilance and choices, should be a good starting point for talking to children about avoiding such substances at the very beginning. They need to learn how to say no to peer pressure and how to cope with obstacles without resorting to self-damaging behaviors. In order to achieve that, the parents need to be educated on vigilance and support as well. Some church communities have already implemented such educational programs.

Many moons ago, I started this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4774&hilit=pure+life

Individual in question is now home with his family. To say that the situation went sideways is an understatement. The church paid big money to rehabilitate him. Not a good situation from my immediate understanding.

Wasn't planning to offer that info up, but there it is.

steve-in-kville wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:51 pm Many moons ago, I started this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4774&hilit=pure+life

Individual in question is now home with his family. To say that the situation went sideways is an understatement. The church paid big money to rehabilitate him. Not a good situation from my immediate understanding.

Wasn't planning to offer that info up, but there it is.

Same here. The man I knew who I mentioned in that thread is now today living separately from his wife and family, and doesn’t come to church.

Sliceitup wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:37 pm I have read that AA is apparently not nearly as successful as it is touted to be. That was a shocker to me. But as you say, better than 0%

AA is the most successful out of any addiction program - pretty much everything else is a big fat zero.