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Gelassenheit
Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2022 7:57 pm
by mennonitemom1
Do you still practice it? If so.,... how?? Any thoughts on how people have strayed from this? Thanks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gelassenheit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordnung#Gelassenheit
Re: Gelassenheit
Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 2:38 pm
by temporal1
As i recall, lesterb and Wayne in Maine (both deceased) discussed this from time to time.
Reviewing their posts, oldest to newest, might be helpful.
A search brought up 19+ matches, there are probably more that are older.
search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&keyw ... lassenheit
Also, check in Anabaptist Theology, i would search oldest to newest. fwiw.
gameo.org
https://gameo.org/index.php?title=Gelassenheit
i believe it’s of interest. (notice, your topic already has 74+ views.) be patient waiting for responses.
Re: Gelassenheit
Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 3:20 pm
by temporal1
DrWoJo (deceased) in Written Word:
A Call to Gelassenheit The Nemesis of Fundamentalism — Chester Weaver
https://forum.mennonet.com/viewtopic.php?t=2748
Gelassenheit: Your definitions? Your praxis? / Anabaptist Theology
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1932
Re: Gelassenheit
Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 5:07 pm
by Bootstrap
There were some really good, extensive discussions of this back on MennoDiscuss.
Re: Gelassenheit
Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 5:24 pm
by Valerie
Thank you for bringing ot up, one of my favorite messages ever was on this- and an excellent message on Gelassenheot is in this series: (actually) the whole series os good!
https://charitychristianfellowship.org/ ... nabaptism/
Specifically:
https://charitychristianfellowship.org/ ... surrender/
I am mot sure we are doing this well as the Church at large
Re: Gelassenheit
Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 5:31 pm
by barnhart
I don't believe in surrender as a end in itself like Buddhism with the goal of extinguishing desire. But I am suspicious of my ability to hear from God alone and that makes me aware how much I need my sisters and brothers to hear from God with me and for me.
Billy Graham often told of his calling to ministry when he went alone into the woods, put his Bible on a stump and prayed until he had confidence God's word was true. Times alone with God are essential but I am far more reassured of my calling that came in the form of the voice of the church.
Re: Gelassenheit
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 1:59 am
by mennonitemom1
temporal1 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 2:38 pm
As i recall, lesterb and Wayne in Maine (both deceased) discussed this from time to time.
Reviewing their posts, oldest to newest, might be helpful.
A search brought up 19+ matches, there are probably more that are older.
search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&keyw ... lassenheit
Also, check in Anabaptist Theology, i would search oldest to newest. fwiw.
gameo.org
https://gameo.org/index.php?title=Gelassenheit
i believe it’s of interest. (notice, your topic already has 74+ views.) be patient waiting for responses.
Thanks for the response and links! Great
Re: Gelassenheit
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 2:01 am
by mennonitemom1
You're welcome! and Thanks! I will look into that!
Re: Gelassenheit
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:12 am
by Neto
Some years ago I discussed this with an Amish business owner I do business with, and he called in one of his employees, who was also one of his ministers. I did some research later, and found that the text where this word occurs in the German text does not use the Dutch counterpart in the Dutch Bible. (I am Dutch Mennonite.) Dutch has the word gelatenheid, but the Scripture text uses another word instead - leijdzaamheid.
Recently, in a gathering with her Amish relatives (the women) they were discussing the idea expressed in the PA German, as "gelossa" - letting go. This idea is also commonly expressed in the English phrase as "Let go, and let God." (At least it sounds like the same thing to me.) I think that Plautdeitsch might express this same meaning as "yalottenheid", which would mean something like "putting or letting down".
I think that we also need to practice this 'surrender' in relationships with others, especially in the sense of letting go of an offense against us, perhaps a slight, or an imposition on our "rights", releasing that feeling of "righteous indignation" when taken advantage of, or otherwise disregarded.
Re: Gelassenheit
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:29 am
by MaxPC
Neto wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:12 am
Some years ago I discussed this with an Amish business owner I do business with, and he called in one of his employees, who was also one of his ministers. I did some research later, and found that the text where this word occurs in the German text does not use the Dutch counterpart in the Dutch Bible. (I am Dutch Mennonite.) Dutch has the word gelatenheid, but the Scripture text uses another word instead - leijdzaamheid.
Recently, in a gathering with her Amish relatives (the women) they were discussing the idea expressed in the PA German, as "gelossa" - letting go. This idea is also commonly expressed in the English phrase as "Let go, and let God." (At least it sounds like the same thing to me.) I think that Plautdeitsch might express this same meaning as "yalottenheid", which would mean something like "putting or letting down".
I think that we also need to practice this 'surrender' in relationships with others, especially in the sense of letting go of an offense against us, perhaps a slight, or an imposition on our "rights", releasing that feeling of "righteous indignation" when taken advantage of, or otherwise disregarded.
If you would be so inclined, there are a number of aspects I would like to explore on this topic.
I am interpreting the various perspectives as to avoid holding a grudge. In the Bible we are told that forgiveness and forgetting are not equivalencies. Forgive yes (let go to avoid bitterness); but Jesus also exhorts us to learn the lesson from the encounter in Matthew 10:16 (“Behold, I am sending you out as sheep in the midst of wolves, so be wise as serpents and innocent as doves).
How is Gelassenheit applied:
• Those who abuse others (mentally, physically, spiritually)?
• Those who refuse admonition?
• Those who are consistently disruptive?
• Between Believers and Nonbelievers.
These are just a few quick scenarios. I am hoping to revive some of the excellent input from the MD thread. May those who have contributed on MD and left us rest in eternal peace.