MennoNet.com

Before the site crash there were some excellent graphics on where conferences stood and the direction they were moving as far as conservative/liberal certain conferences are. Does anybody have a backup of these? They were just excellent references to study. It showed arrows going up and down with conference names and where they came from.

Is this timeline sharred by Ernie one of the graphics you were looking for?

ken_sylvania wrote:Is this timeline sharred by Ernie one of the graphics you were looking for?

YES! That's the one! Thank you!

This is of course only the Swiss Brethren side, and perhaps some early America-migration Dutch Mennonite group (? but if so, it omits any reference to numerous other Dutch Mennonite Groups).
Another observation: It has always been my understanding that there was no group called "Old Order" Amish until the New Order Amish split from the original american Amish church. Is this incorrect? (I understand if the pre-New Order split Amish is labeled as "Old Order" for clarity sake, but just wondering.)

Neto wrote:This is of course only the Swiss Brethren side, and perhaps some early America-migration Dutch Mennonite group (? but if so, it omits any reference to numerous other Dutch Mennonite Groups).
Another observation: It has always been my understanding that there was no group called "Old Order" Amish until the New Order Amish split from the original american Amish church. Is this incorrect? (I understand if the pre-New Order split Amish is labeled as "Old Order" for clarity sake, but just wondering.)

It would be neat to see a revised chart also with a list of "what conservative means" and what each conference GENERALLY practices. I may pester a lot of question on there then compile a list myself.

Chris wrote:

Neto wrote:This is of course only the Swiss Brethren side, and perhaps some early America-migration Dutch Mennonite group (? but if so, it omits any reference to numerous other Dutch Mennonite Groups).
Another observation: It has always been my understanding that there was no group called "Old Order" Amish until the New Order Amish split from the original american Amish church. Is this incorrect? (I understand if the pre-New Order split Amish is labeled as "Old Order" for clarity sake, but just wondering.)

It would be neat to see a revised chart also with a list of "what conservative means" and what each conference GENERALLY practices. I may pester a lot of question on there then compile a list myself.

Both myself and ernie have been collecting and compiling such data for a while.

Neto wrote:This is of course only the Swiss Brethren side, and perhaps some early America-migration Dutch Mennonite group (? but if so, it omits any reference to numerous other Dutch Mennonite Groups).
Another observation: It has always been my understanding that there was no group called "Old Order" Amish until the New Order Amish split from the original american Amish church. Is this incorrect? (I understand if the pre-New Order split Amish is labeled as "Old Order" for clarity sake, but just wondering.)

Its logical that you are correct. For the Mennonites, there would have been no OO designation before the division in the Mennonite church.

Adding in the Russian/Mexican/Dutch strains would make for an almost unreadable document. My guess/understanding is that the Old Order Amish label dates back to at least the Beachy beginnings but probably back to the the years following the Amish ministers meetings initiated/supported by John Howard Yoder's great great grandfather in the 1860s.

silentreader wrote:

Neto wrote:This is of course only the Swiss Brethren side, and perhaps some early America-migration Dutch Mennonite group (? but if so, it omits any reference to numerous other Dutch Mennonite Groups).
Another observation: It has always been my understanding that there was no group called "Old Order" Amish until the New Order Amish split from the original american Amish church. Is this incorrect? (I understand if the pre-New Order split Amish is labeled as "Old Order" for clarity sake, but just wondering.)

Its logical that you are correct. For the Mennonites, there would have been no OO designation before the division in the Mennonite church.

http://gameo.org/index.php?title=Old_Order_Amish

"Old Order" Amish is strictly an American term which came into usage as some Amish Mennonite congregations resisted "new" methods of church work as well as "new" forms of social organization and technology. One cannot properly speak of "Old Order" before 1850, and its usage came gradually after about 1870, or following the Amish Ministers' Conferences 1862-78

Ernie wrote:

silentreader wrote:

Neto wrote:This is of course only the Swiss Brethren side, and perhaps some early America-migration Dutch Mennonite group (? but if so, it omits any reference to numerous other Dutch Mennonite Groups).
Another observation: It has always been my understanding that there was no group called "Old Order" Amish until the New Order Amish split from the original american Amish church. Is this incorrect? (I understand if the pre-New Order split Amish is labeled as "Old Order" for clarity sake, but just wondering.)

Its logical that you are correct. For the Mennonites, there would have been no OO designation before the division in the Mennonite church.

http://gameo.org/index.php?title=Old_Order_Amish

"Old Order" Amish is strictly an American term which came into usage as some Amish Mennonite congregations resisted "new" methods of church work as well as "new" forms of social organization and technology. One cannot properly speak of "Old Order" before 1850, and its usage came gradually after about 1870, or following the Amish Ministers' Conferences 1862-78

Interesting. I just assumed that it came about as a result of the New Order split off. But let me ask - are you saying that prior to 1850 or so the 'Amish' were called 'Amish Mennonite'?