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I was pleased to find this online as a PDF and in plain text:

Jörg Maler's Kunstbuch: Writings of the Pilgram Marpeck Circle

A nice source of articles that we could read and discuss.

Fascinating - I "wasted" the last hour on this.

Hats Off wrote:Fascinating - I "wasted" the last hour on this.

We should pick one of these articles to discuss first ... do you want to nominate one? We could discuss some of the material in introductions and such, if you prefer, but I'm more drawn to the content of what the original authors wrote.

How about Hans Hut's "A beginning of a true Christian life (The mystery of baptism)"?

I haven't read in detail yet but was fascinated by his taking on suffering and a true Christendom.

AnthonyMartin wrote:How about Hans Hut's "A beginning of a true Christian life (The mystery of baptism)"?

I haven't read in detail yet but was fascinated by his taking on suffering and a true Christendom.

OK. Let me start a new thread for that, if we try to discuss all these things in the same thread it will overload us entirely ...

Since this is about the Pilgram Marpeck Circle, I really should get a round to participating.

However, at the moment, Klassen and Klaassen have caused me some extra effort by having placed me in Cesky Krumlov rather than Moravsky Krumlov, which I am now convinced is the correct location. Rempel repeats the error on p. 10 of the Introduction, as well as the map at the end. They really should know better; even Rick Steves can tell the two apart.

So I have no objection to discussing Hut first. When we return to Marpeck, might I suggest that #7, Concerning hasty judgments and verdicts, though perhaps a bit lengthy, might be a profitable and timely one to consider.

Bootstrap wrote:

AnthonyMartin wrote:How about Hans Hut's "A beginning of a true Christian life (The mystery of baptism)"?
I haven't read in detail yet but was fascinated by his taking on suffering and a true Christendom.

OK. Let me start a new thread for that, if we try to discuss all these things in the same thread it will overload us entirely ...

possibly. but you may be experiencing delusions of grandeur regarding this thread.
there is also the potential for overloading on numbers of threads.
i like the topic.

I'm kicking this back up to the forefront. I have been swamped with work lately, and anyone who is self-employed knows that it doesn't stop when you go home in the evening.
Anyway, not being familiar with Pilgram Marpeck, I have been reading (when I get a chance) a summary article on his life and views. From what I've gathered so far, he lived & traveled mostly in the Swiss & (modern-day) Austrian (The Tyrol) regions - correct? He doesn't seem to have ever interacted with Menno Simons, although they were contemporaries. I'm sure you all already know all of this, or can correct me - that's why I'm posting this, to get clarifications on what I think I understand of him so far. Like for instance that he seems to have taught something similar to the idea of regeneration through baptism.
I did download the PDF from the link Boot provided (some time ago), and have been working on the file (as time has allowed, which isn't much so far) to create bookmarks for the different sections. (Makes it a lot easier to quickly get to the section you want.)
It is also interesting to me that although I've never heard his name in my Russian Mennonite background, many of the recent articles and works about him are written by Russian Mennonites.

He covered a wider geographical area than you mentioned, including Moravia, Strasbourg, and Augsburg; the Tyrol was in his pre-Anabaptist days.

I would not say that he believed in baptismal regeneration, but he did stress the importance of the physical observance. This was in contrast and opposition to the spiritualists such as Schwenkfeld, who claimed the spiritual benefits without the physical act.

ohio jones wrote:He covered a wider geographical area than you mentioned, including Moravia, Strasbourg, and Augsburg; the Tyrol was in his pre-Anabaptist days.

I would not say that he believed in baptismal regeneration, but he did stress the importance of the physical observance. This was in contrast and opposition to the spiritualists such as Schwenkfeld, who claimed the spiritual benefits without the physical act.

I hope to get to the actual writings soon. I have just read a (long) article written about him so far. And perhaps I shouldn't have used the term 'baptismal regeneration' - as it was stated more as that it was a necessary PART of a saving expression of faith. But again, I need to get into the actual writings, well, rather the translation of them.