silentreader wrote:
...and our perspective is this...if it had not been for prompt diagnosis and quick and proper medical treatment by caring and dedicated medical professionals, our oldest daughter would be crippled, or dead.
...and so the world turns...
Yes, you are correct, not all doctors are bad, they are needed for certain things. It would be a mistake on anyone's part to lump them all into one group, either good or bad.
So, just like there are good doctors that helped your daughter, there are bad doctors like the one that tried to kill my son.
The doctors used to follow the "Hippocratic Oath", which forbade practicing abortions. But no more.
Eloise wrote:It's always heart breaking to see those we've known all our lives, have their lives change so drastically for the worse. But it was her choice to use chemo / radiation. At least she had a choice.
What bothers me are the so called do gooders who think they know best what is good for us. And if we don't do it their way, they will use the power of force through government to force us to have our children or parents take so called medical treatments that we don't agree with. And if we don't obey their edicts, we go to jail, or our children or parents wind up being put into state custody, and we're forced to pay the bills.
Huh? Nobody is forcing anyone to get unwanted cancer treatments. Or taking people’s children away.
silentreader wrote:
...and our perspective is this...if it had not been for prompt diagnosis and quick and proper medical treatment by caring and dedicated medical professionals, our oldest daughter would be crippled, or dead.
...and so the world turns...
Yes, you are correct, not all doctors are bad, they are needed for certain things. It would be a mistake on anyone's part to lump them all into one group, either good or bad.
So, just like there are good doctors that helped your daughter, there are bad doctors like the one that tried to kill my son.
The doctors used to follow the "Hippocratic Oath", which forbade practicing abortions. But no more.
I am glad your daughter found healing.
They told us at that time it would be dangerous for her to have children, that was 22 years ago, and she is married and has 5 healthy daughters. There were never any complications, but each one was born at a hospital capable of handling a potentially high risk delivery.
Every 5 years (I think) she still has a follow-up appointment with the doctor who was in charge of her treatment 22 years before.
Eloise wrote:John
I agree with you. I wonder why we don't hear about new toxic waste sites being discovered.
They always seemed to be in the news years ago. I remember hearing that tennessee had a large number of sites where they had discovered nuclear waste materials.
I'm not exactly what type of nuclear waste it was. But I'm assuming the reason it was there was because tennessee was such a rural state back then and whoever dumped it thought no one would run into it for decades.
It's not so rural anymore. I'm surprised they aren't finding anymore toxic waste sites.
I also try to keep God's statutes. I don't eat pork or any meat from an unclean animal. Although we don't always know what type of meat is in some of the foods at restaurants. I believe God's statutes were given to us for our benefit. Not just arbitrarily. God created those animals. He should know which ones are for our consumption and which were created for an entirely different purpose.
I'm also curious what church you attend. I don't think mennonites try to keep God's statutes. Maybe a few do.
I don't know you, Eloise - how do you know me? How many Mennonites do you know? On what do you base your judgement? And why pick a Mennonite forum to tell us what you think of us? Acts 10:9-16
Eloise wrote:It's always heart breaking to see those we've known all our lives, have their lives change so drastically for the worse. But it was her choice to use chemo / radiation. At least she had a choice.
What bothers me are the so called do gooders who think they know best what is good for us. And if we don't do it their way, they will use the power of force through government to force us to have our children or parents take so called medical treatments that we don't agree with. And if we don't obey their edicts, we go to jail, or our children or parents wind up being put into state custody, and we're forced to pay the bills.
Huh? Nobody is forcing anyone to get unwanted cancer treatments. Or taking people’s children away.
Wrong Josh- the state of OH granted Akron Children's Hospital, guardianship over an Amish girl in Medina County because they were to force treatments on her cancer- see my previous post- the story was in the news, & her parents fled the country to avoid this
ken_sylvania wrote:That's interesting that you can't find anything.
Whitepages lists a Joshua David Mather Sr. with a current address of either Vestavia Hills, AL or Montrose, PA. His father, Dr. Thomas Mather, used to live in Apalachin, NY where he practiced as a naturopathic doctor, including iris evaluation. http://byregion.byregion.net/cgibin/use ... rtommather
Dr. Thomas Mather now practices in Montrose, PA.
That would seem to match what the Quackwatch article says. Maybe this guy is real after all?
How did you link Joshua David Mather with his father, Thomas Mather? How do you know they are related?
It looked like, from the article, that Joshua David Mather was still a practitioner of natural medicine, but was no longer using Iridology. Did you see a clinic associated with this name?
Alabama and Pennsylvania are quite distant, these could be two different people.
Thanks,
John
Sir,
Not long ago you tried to tell us that Thomas David Mather does not exist. Are you suggesting now that there might be two individuals named Thomas David Mather?
I know that Joshua Mather's grandmother is Thomas Mather's mother because her obituary says so. Considering that she had only one son, it stands to reason that any grandchildren with the last name of Mather are likely to be Thomas's children.
Even if Joshua David Mather was still practicing natural medicine at the time he wrote the article, there is no reason to believe that he is still practicing it today or that one would find his name associated with a clinic online.
What proof do you have that all the articles on Quackwatch are written by one person, anyway?
Eloise wrote:It's always heart breaking to see those we've known all our lives, have their lives change so drastically for the worse. But it was her choice to use chemo / radiation. At least she had a choice.
What bothers me are the so called do gooders who think they know best what is good for us. And if we don't do it their way, they will use the power of force through government to force us to have our children or parents take so called medical treatments that we don't agree with. And if we don't obey their edicts, we go to jail, or our children or parents wind up being put into state custody, and we're forced to pay the bills.
Huh? Nobody is forcing anyone to get unwanted cancer treatments. Or taking people’s children away.
Wrong Josh- the state of OH granted Akron Children's Hospital, guardianship over an Amish girl in Medina County because they were to force treatments on her cancer- see my previous post- the story was in the news, & her parents fled the country to avoid this
This was an unusual case and not the norm at all. With that said, I think the government has the right to interfere in Amish families in matters of abuse and neglect considering how rampant it is. (Or any other kinds of people.)
Josh wrote:
Huh? Nobody is forcing anyone to get unwanted cancer treatments. Or taking people’s children away.
Wrong Josh- the state of OH granted Akron Children's Hospital, guardianship over an Amish girl in Medina County because they were to force treatments on her cancer- see my previous post- the story was in the news, & her parents fled the country to avoid this
This was an unusual case and not the norm at all. With that said, I think the government has the right to interfere in Amish families in matters of abuse and neglect considering how rampant it is. (Or any other kinds of people.)
How do you know this is an unusual case? And if it happened here in our county, what makes you think it wouldn't happen elsewhere? You said it isn't done. Well it was done. The Medina County court had ruled in favor of the family. This had nothing to do with neglect or abuse, that is why the judged ruled with the Amish family- however they took it to the state and the state awarded guardianship to the hospital to force treatments- guess what? She was cured (after the hospital had warned she would die) by natural means, and so finally, the state HAD to drop the case- it really did not make the state nor the hospital look very good-
Whether it's the NORM or not, I was refuting your claim that it doesn't happen. It did- and it can.
silentreader wrote:They told us at that time it would be dangerous for her to have children, that was 22 years ago, and she is married and has 5 healthy daughters. There were never any complications, but each one was born at a hospital capable of handling a potentially high risk delivery.
Every 5 years (I think) she still has a follow-up appointment with the doctor who was in charge of her treatment 22 years before.
We have 6 children and hoped to use a midwife at home, but they all came 4 to 6 weeks early and so we used a hospital. I like obstetricians, and I have found them to be useful doctors.
If I had broken my arm, I would definitely go to a doctor to get it set.
Doctors that encourage abortion, or that push harmful drugs on people so they can get a kickback from the drug company, this is a different category of doctor.
The author of the above link spewed a lot of things regarding the case of Sarah Hersberger-
Well he can sure eat crow now-
I've kept in touch with Sarah's uncle & she is doing very well- WITHOUT the treatments the hospital insisted would save her life- and 6 years later she is still cancer free.
(There are many links to articles regarding this case)
One thing to mention- the Amish are very strong on accepting God's will- they do not seem to need to go through a lot of unwanted treatments to survive as they are more likely ready to accept God's Providential will and hand in their lives.