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Sudsy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 5:28 pm

Josh wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 4:25 pm

Verity wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:32 am

Where are you getting this, Josh?

I do not affirm the perversion. I care about the human, same as I care about the men in my fellowship who are addicted to porn and abuse their wife and children. Jesus did not affirm the woman at the well in her adultery. He cared about her soul and met her where and who she was.

Gender “confusion” is a gross sexual perversion. I think a big problem is not treating sexual perverts as they are and instead pretending it’s something okay.

Jesus spoke plainly to the woman at the well and told her she was living in sin.

When I read that story of the woman at the well in John 4, I don't see Jesus referring to her past and current husband as 'living in sin'. ....

Jesus didn't refer at all to her "current husband" - he told her that the man she was living with wasn't her husband. To anyone somewhat familiar with the law the implication would be clear.

ken_sylvania wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 5:33 pm

Sudsy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 5:28 pm

Josh wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 4:25 pm

Gender “confusion” is a gross sexual perversion. I think a big problem is not treating sexual perverts as they are and instead pretending it’s something okay.

Jesus spoke plainly to the woman at the well and told her she was living in sin.

When I read that story of the woman at the well in John 4, I don't see Jesus referring to her past and current husband as 'living in sin'. ....

Jesus didn't refer at all to her "current husband" - he told her that the man she was living with wasn't her husband. To anyone somewhat familiar with the law the implication would be clear.

The way I understand that story is that Jesus knew that she was just "shacking up" with a man who was not her husband. Jesus did, however, seem to regard the others as her real husbands.

Josh wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 4:25 pm

Verity wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:32 am

Josh wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:22 am Verity,

What does the Bible say? I don’t see anywhere it supports your proposal that we need to be affirming of people who adopt sexual perversions.

Where are you getting this, Josh?

I do not affirm the perversion. I care about the human, same as I care about the men in my fellowship who are addicted to porn and abuse their wife and children. Jesus did not affirm the woman at the well in her adultery. He cared about her soul and met her where and who she was.

Gender “confusion” is a gross sexual perversion. I think a big problem is not treating sexual perverts as they are and instead pretending it’s something okay.

Jesus spoke plainly to the woman at the well and told her she was living in sin.

Josh, this is pure curiosity. Are you neurodivergent? Some of my best friends are, I do not consider it negative. It is helpful to know, to use a different approach for communicating. Your level of intelligence and skill with computers along with a few other things prompts my asking.

Neto wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 7:01 pm

ken_sylvania wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 5:33 pm

Sudsy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 5:28 pm

When I read that story of the woman at the well in John 4, I don't see Jesus referring to her past and current husband as 'living in sin'. ....

Jesus didn't refer at all to her "current husband" - he told her that the man she was living with wasn't her husband. To anyone somewhat familiar with the law the implication would be clear.

The way I understand that story is that Jesus knew that she was just "shacking up" with a man who was not her husband. Jesus did, however, seem to regard the others as her real husbands.

Because shacking up is the accepted norm in the US today, does not at all mean that it was the accepted norm in that time and place. I think the odds favor that she did marry the guy she was with. And Jesus was not recognizing him as her real husband.

This very account is used by two viewpoints to bolster their opposing argument on this topic.

Soloist wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 4:56 pm

Josh wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 4:25 pm

Verity wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:32 am

Where are you getting this, Josh?

I do not affirm the perversion. I care about the human, same as I care about the men in my fellowship who are addicted to porn and abuse their wife and children. Jesus did not affirm the woman at the well in her adultery. He cared about her soul and met her where and who she was.

Gender “confusion” is a gross sexual perversion. I think a big problem is not treating sexual perverts as they are and instead pretending it’s something okay.

Jesus spoke plainly to the woman at the well and told her she was living in sin.

I doubt someone would feel compassion from your words.

Joh 8:9  And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
Joh 8:10  When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
Joh 8:11  She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

I don’t think such an example can be used in every situation with every person.
Just remember all of these men knew the law through and through. I’d say that qualifies as a trained conscience. Most people including many professing Christians today are not so sound in such disciplined training to know the scriptures so well to have a convicted conscience. At least in my experience a properly convicted conscience is not so common with most people. Not that I can be their conscience but I think clarity has value in truth.

And furthermore treating something that God sees as an abomination as wrong or calling it a sexual perversion might not “feel” compassionate but it can be much more compassionate of an action than most anything else. If someone doesn’t know they need to repent wouldn’t we be as Christian’s excited to let them know?!

Verity wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 7:02 pm Josh, this is pure curiosity. Are you neurodivergent? Some of my best friends are, I do not consider it negative. It is helpful to know, to use a different approach for communicating. Your level of intelligence and skill with computers along with a few other things prompts my asking.

No.

Thanks for asking, and I’ll try not to take it as an insult.

Verity wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 10:52 amWhen they were sorting through the confusion and wanted help, do you think they went to the harsh relatives who had shut them off completely? Did they go to the ones who had (outwardly at least) smiled and said "Oh that's great!" No, they went to the ones who had respectfully established where they stood and why, yet continued to treat them with dignity and respect.

this makes a lot of sense to me.

justme wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 10:05 pm

Verity wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 10:52 amWhen they were sorting through the confusion and wanted help, do you think they went to the harsh relatives who had shut them off completely? Did they go to the ones who had (outwardly at least) smiled and said "Oh that's great!" No, they went to the ones who had respectfully established where they stood and why, yet continued to treat them with dignity and respect.

this makes a lot of sense to me.

So, Christians should tell someone who comes out as homosexual “That’s great!”?

Josh wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 10:21 pm

justme wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 10:05 pm

Verity wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 10:52 amWhen they were sorting through the confusion and wanted help, do you think they went to the harsh relatives who had shut them off completely? Did they go to the ones who had (outwardly at least) smiled and said "Oh that's great!" No, they went to the ones who had respectfully established where they stood and why, yet continued to treat them with dignity and respect.

this makes a lot of sense to me.

So, Christians should tell someone who comes out as homosexual “That’s great!”?

Are we reading the same post?