Measels outbreak in Lancaster County

[JohnH]

Of course vaccinated people can get measles and spread it, but we wouldn't want to confuse people too much with the facts, now, would we.

Are you speaking about the three percent?

The measles vaccine is simply one of those vaccines that is not a sterilising-immunity vaccine, so it doesn't mean someone is 100% assured not to get it. Same kind of problems that the covid vaccines had, so people will get vaccinated, and then could end up having the illness later.

When a vaccine isn't used at all, the population eventually ends up sterilised to it because everyone gets immunity another way.

Sterilising vaccines will completely eradicate a disease and there won't be any human reservoir left - smallpox is an example of this. We don't sit around worrying about people not vaccinated for smallpox.

[Judas Maccabeus]

Is Senomyx connected with Nestle? I believe Nestle contracted with them to do the taste research. No indication anywhere that I can find that the sweetener included any HEK-293.

It would appear this is where the rumor started perhaps?

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC123709/

That paper is pretty far into the weeds. Has to do with “what makes sweet, sweet.” Nothing to do with coffee creamer

I believe this is the study contracted by Nestle to Senomyx that originated the claim. I may be wrong, but that was my understanding. As others have said, quite a few entities paid Senomyx for their research.

That is a very thin connection.

[JohnH]

That paper is pretty far into the weeds. Has to do with “what makes sweet, sweet.” Nothing to do with coffee creamer

I believe this is the study contracted by Nestle to Senomyx that originated the claim. I may be wrong, but that was my understanding. As others have said, quite a few entities paid Senomyx for their research.

That is a very thin connection.

It’s also not the only connection.

[Judas Maccabeus]

Of course vaccinated people can get measles and spread it, but we wouldn't want to confuse people too much with the facts, now, would we.

Are you speaking about the three percent?

The measles vaccine is simply one of those vaccines that is not a sterilising-immunity vaccine, so it doesn't mean someone is 100% assured not to get it. Same kind of problems that the covid vaccines had, so people will get vaccinated, and then could end up having the illness later.

When a vaccine isn't used at all, the population eventually ends up sterilised to it because everyone gets immunity another way.

Sterilising vaccines will completely eradicate a disease and there won't be any human reservoir left - smallpox is an example of this. We don't sit around worrying about people not vaccinated for smallpox.

Even the smallpox vaccine is not 100% effective. If you had studied the topic of Smallpox vaccination, you would know that the reason that eradication was possible is that it has no animal reservoir. Even if a vaccine is 100% effective, if an animal can harbor the disease, even a 100% effective vaccine will not produce eradication.

Neither I nor my wife, who is a Public Health nurse, had ever heard the term "sterilising-immunity vaccine." Wherever did you hear that terminology?

[JohnH]

Try the NIH:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9595357/

[Soloist]

Another person died. I found it particularly interesting that the age and sex was released with the announcement.

[JohnH]

Another person died. I found it particularly interesting that the age and sex was released with the announcement.

I guess HIPAA doesn't apply when there are vaccines that need to be promoted.

Here is one of the alleged "measles deaths":

She had been born with a condition called Amish lethal microcephaly that causes an unusually small head and underdeveloped brain. Children with the condition typically live 6 months or less.

One really wonders if a baby born with a condition that is 100% a terminal illness within 6 months really died of "measles".

His office did perform an autopsy on the boy and determined he died from a ruptured spleen. Exactly how and when that happened is still under investigation, Diamantoni said.

The boy was infected with measles, which is listed on the death certificate as a contributing factor. But Diamantoni said measles did not contribute to what happened to the spleen, and that measles is noted only because it was considered “a significant condition” that the boy had at the time of death.

Whoops! Not a measles death either.

The 3rd one you referred to:

The woman contracted measles after a family member had it as well, Furlong told CNN, and noted she also had chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, or COPD, and asthma, and had been on supplemental oxygen 24 hours a day before getting measles.

The coroner says this was a death "from measles complications"; it is obvious this poor woman was not in the best of health in general, though.

[Judas Maccabeus]

Try the NIH:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9595357/

Read the paper. You are misusing that term. It means, in that context, a vaccine that prevents replication in the host, it is not a term used for population dynamics, which is how you are trying to use it.

[Judas Maccabeus]

Another person died. I found it particularly interesting that the age and sex was released with the announcement.

I guess HIPAA doesn't apply when there are vaccines that need to be promoted.

Here is one of the alleged "measles deaths":

She had been born with a condition called Amish lethal microcephaly that causes an unusually small head and underdeveloped brain. Children with the condition typically live 6 months or less.

One really wonders if a baby born with a condition that is 100% a terminal illness within 6 months really died of "measles".

His office did perform an autopsy on the boy and determined he died from a ruptured spleen. Exactly how and when that happened is still under investigation, Diamantoni said.

The boy was infected with measles, which is listed on the death certificate as a contributing factor. But Diamantoni said measles did not contribute to what happened to the spleen, and that measles is noted only because it was considered “a significant condition” that the boy had at the time of death.

Whoops! Not a measles death either.

The 3rd one you referred to:

The woman contracted measles after a family member had it as well, Furlong told CNN, and noted she also had chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, or COPD, and asthma, and had been on supplemental oxygen 24 hours a day before getting measles.

The coroner says this was a death "from measles complications"; it is obvious this poor woman was not in the best of health in general, though.

It is a measles related death. People who die from measles generally die either from pneumonia or encephalitis. This death is from pneumonia.

Obviously, you have more training and experience than the physician that did this determination.

[JohnH]

Try the NIH:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9595357/

Read the paper. You are misusing that term. It means, in that context, a vaccine that prevents replication in the host, it is not a term used for population dynamics, which is how you are trying to use it.

You said:

Neither I nor my wife, who is a Public Health nurse, had ever heard the term "sterilising-immunity vaccine." Wherever did you hear that terminology?

I did not "misuse the term". Perhaps you should read the paper. (Incidentally, being a public-health nurse does not a scientist one make.)