CAM Molestation Issue

[Sienna]

By not sending mailers, I feel like they are intentionally keeping the Old Orders somewhat in the dark on this.

This is one of those speculations that I don't think we should be making. CAM has offered in their newsletter to mail the online statements to anyone who requests it. They have been mailing out a lot.

I now do not believe what I wrote here. I shouldn't have made that thought public either.

I guess more than anything, I now have the impression that they are hiding other stuff, they are not interested in transparency at all cost, instead they are following the batten down the hatches method, protecting someone high up.

I don't necessarily believe that they are intentionally hiding stuff now either. If they are, I don't think David Troyer is aware of any of it based on conversation. I probably shouldn't have made this speculation public.

I respect that you spoke with David Troyer. Since your post someone who definitely knows more than the average person and close to the back end of things at CAM said this: People in the local area are shutting up due to cash settlements being paid (indicating individuals in the local area) and also that "CAM is lawyered up, with layers of lawyers." I'm curious if CAM will put out in a public report how much is being paid to lawyers and how much is being paid in "settlements."

Also an individual very close to earlier situations said, "If the truth were known the organization would be forced to shut down." Hearing this, my question is if those in EL are leading people to believe something other than the truth?

[Sienna]

Okay Ernie, I took your advise. It’s easier to be a keyboard activist than have hard, real conversations asking hard questions, isn’t it?

Had a talk with David Weaver tonight. I feel a lot of respect for him. And by extension my respect and confidence in CAM has gone up to.
- With regard to the lack of updates, there has been so little to update that is why they haven’t. On the Haiti front, they are working with 3rd party to do what they can, but as has been mentioned the political environment is making it more difficult.
- On the internal investigation, they are working to get a 3rd party investigation.
My understanding from DT is that some of them had a bit of hesitation over GRACE because it is not an Anabaptist based organization. CAM did not feel comfortable hand picking private individuals to do the investigation either, so they have asked a certain 3rd party (did not say who, I didn’t ask) individual to create a team to do it. This person has not yet been given the green light from his board to take on the investigation.
I asked if there has been feet dragging and hesitancy on the part of CAM because there are more skeletons they are afraid will come out. Such as either another leader being protected or another scandal in another country, or anything like these, and he said absolutely not.
- I asked him if he is aware of any financial impropriety of any sort domestically involving kickbacks or anything like that, and he said not at all.
- I asked if they are refraining on mailing updates on all this because they don’t want people without social media access to know the updates. The answer was emphatic no.
He thought that they did mail one update out, and seemed to see some value in ensuring that whatever was posted online, was mailed as well. Said he would check about that.
-I said in my opinion, CAM excels at communicating their needs and in organization, and that the lack of communication on this subject from them looks strange and out of character. He seemed to understand.

He said I was welcome to call him anytime, but gave me three names (James B Mullet, Bobby Miller, Weston Showalter) at CAM who are working more directly on this and might be better equipped to answer specifics. Said I’d probably need to leave a message with the folks at the office for which person I wanted to talk with, and that person would call back as soon as they could.

Did you ask him anything about Harold Herr?

Did you ask anything about when CAM was the former "Christian Aid to Romania?" David Troyer was also the director at that time, as I understand it.

[Josh]

No proof, but unfortunately I can affirm the rumours Sienna has said.

The best thing for CAM to do is communicate very clearly with regular statements about how much is being paid out, who their lawyers are, how much is being spent on lawyers, and so on.

[Time4Truth]

...and while logistics are being debated by CAM & Life Literature, here is another dose of reality:


https://splash4ripples.com/2020/02/07/p ... Ma4nZSWlpk

[Grace]

...and while logistics are being debated by CAM & Life Literature, here is another dose of reality:


https://splash4ripples.com/2020/02/07/p ... Ma4nZSWlpk

There are no words !!! Chickens...really....how disgusting and perverted.

[queserasera_2]

...and while logistics are being debated by CAM & Life Literature, here is another dose of reality:


https://splash4ripples.com/2020/02/07/p ... Ma4nZSWlpk

There are no words !!! Chickens...really....how disgusting and perverted.

I can hardly believe they are meeting about what to do with Trudy when the house needs thorough cleaning.... *vomit emoji*
I don't appreciate all her tactics, but let's face it, she's the only one holding unholy feet to the fire. If you want her to go away, DO SOMETHING YOURSELF.

[ABC 123]

Some of those preachers had a lot of nerve making as much noise at the pulpit as they did. I cringe at how stupid I was to just endure it as long as I did.

[Grace]

I can hardly believe they are meeting about what to do with Trudy when the house needs thorough cleaning.... *vomit emoji*
I don't appreciate all her tactics, but let's face it, she's the only one holding unholy feet to the fire. If you want her to go away, DO SOMETHING YOURSELF.

It is not even in the their place to decide "what to do about Trudy". God is in control, not them. I remember a speaker once saying, "there is a God, and your not Him".

For these men discussing what to do about her, reminds me of the verses, out of Matthew 7:3-5, where Jesus says,

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

[Judas Maccabeus]

In their defense, if there can be one, they cannot prevent anyone from traveling there. If this guy wants to go, and carry a bunch of hardware, there is nothing they can do to stop him.

We used to have the same problem. Someone we wanted to keep out of the UAE figured out how to get a visa through a hotel. Then they stopped requiring them altogether.

If even half of this stuff is true, somebody needs to get his passport and burn it.

J.M.

[Josh]

Whoa

Mose Stoltzfus, the founder of Charity, is colluding with Herr about “what to do about Trudy”?

This is the beginning of the end.