Ephesians 5: "Shameful even to speak"

[Grace]

Yes, flags and skin. it is so shameful and evil when that happens at White House events, isn't it?

I will not defend Donald Trump's sleazy behavior in the past. But baring of private body parts on the White House Lawn at an endorsed presidential event seems to be a new low phenomena.

BTW the photo you provided with Trump and the cheerleaders was NOT at a White House event, but at a private Super Bowl party at a private residence. (Mar-lago).

[Sudsy]

The title of the thread is "Shameful even to speak". Shamefully the Bidens hosted a "Pride Event" on Saturday at which time they hung a rainbow flag between two American flags. At the Biden White House event there was some baring of female body parts. The lack of shame and evilness is beyond reprehensible.

Yes, flags and skin. it is so shameful and evil when that happens at White House events, isn't it?

When a First Lady has been a nude model, with photos widely available on the Web, that's "bare skin" too, I think.

But perhaps we should scale this back? We d o not need to speak of all the shameful things politicians do. Especially not to defend them. And we certainly do not need to believe every prurient rumor that people make up about politicians on "the other side" either.

We need to get our minds out of the gutter. As Ephesians 5 teaches us.

So why is there so much detail being discussed if it is 'shameful even to speak' ? I think if the focus should be more on how Jesus saves us from all sin and living our lives as an example of being delivered from sin. Then we would expose sin without us needing to refer to all of the manifestations of sin we see happening around us. We can easily get caught up with certain sinning and condemn it by our words and even get a wrong attitude about the sinner, whom Jesus loves and desires to save. At a certain point the discussions about sinning should be shameful for us to even mention and to want to get into great detail on how others are sinning and, to me, is suspect to why we go there. Myself, included.

[Bootstrap]

But perhaps we should scale this back? We do not need to speak of all the shameful things politicians do. Especially not to defend them. And we certainly do not need to believe every prurient rumor that people make up about politicians on "the other side" either.

We need to get our minds out of the gutter. As Ephesians 5 teaches us.

So why is there so much detail being discussed if it is 'shameful even to speak' ? I think if the focus should be more on how Jesus saves us from all sin and living our lives as an example of being delivered from sin. Then we would expose sin without us needing to refer to all of the manifestations of sin we see happening around us. We can easily get caught up with certain sinning and condemn it by our words and even get a wrong attitude about the sinner, whom Jesus loves and desires to save. At a certain point the discussions about sinning should be shameful for us to even mention and to want to get into great detail on how others are sinning and, to me, is suspect to why we go there. Myself, included.

To be blunt, I think our speech is often influenced more by political attack ads and political attack media than by the Bible.

People repeat salacious things about politicians they have practiced hating with a certain glee, often even without checking to see if they are true. And judging by our conversation, it often seems like we think the political world is much more real than the Kingdom of God.

[Valerie]

At the same time, there is nothing more perverse about homosexuality, transgenders or pedophilia compared to pornography.

We seem to forget that they all are perverse and the root is lust. For out of the heart of these people flow forth lust and the sin of adultery is just as bad as the sin of homosexuality.
Mercy to those who are ignorant, mercy to those who are lost in addiction… ready to extend them a helping hand but never tolerating the sin.

Adultery is evil, Yet King David, King Solomon had it in their God fearing lives. What do you think would have happened if it was homosexuality that they were committing? Think Sodom and Gomorrah. I honestly see a big difference because those are the only two cities that were ever destroyed because of their wickedness. I mean apart from the flood. Homosexuality speaks against Gods design & creation- think Romans 1, Jude, etc- the point is, adultery, murder, etc is not paraded around as somethings to be proud of. I am not defending adultery, just noticing the difference on how God treated it vs homosexuality

[Grace]

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To be blunt, I think our speech is often influenced more by political attack ads and political attack media than by the Bible.

People repeat salacious things about politicians they have practiced hating with a certain glee, often even without checking to see if they are true. And judging by our conversation, it often seems like we think the political world is much more real than the Kingdom of God.

Interesting. Who is it that just repeated salacious things about a past president and his wife, with an element of glee? Who is it, that is a fan of everything negative and bad about the past president?

I don’t support Trump, especially his past private life. But I think it is a bit hypocritical to point out the flaws of a past president, but then get defensive when the evilness of current one is pointed out. And then accuse those who do point the current presidential condoned debauchery, as having their mind in the gutter.

[Josh]

To be blunt, I think our speech is often influenced more by political attack ads and political attack media than by the Bible.

Very few on MN do this, yet you lob this accusation rather frequently. I haven’t seen a political attack ad in full in years and the little I have seen is very sickening to me.

People repeat salacious things about politicians they have practiced hating with a certain glee, often even without checking to see if they are true. And judging by our conversation, it often seems like we think the political world is much more real than the Kingdom of God.

Boot, I am 100% confident that Biden hung a pride flag at the white house and then had typical pride performance on the White House lawn. I don’t say this with glee either. (Republicans are just as in favour of homosexual marriage and promoting homosexuality, these days.)

It is, however, fair to talk about the public square, because eventually it does influence our private homes and churches. Isn’t that the problem with MC USA’s schizophrenic personality when it comes to homosexuality? They allowed the changes in the public square to change them in the church sphere.

[Sudsy]

But perhaps we should scale this back? We do not need to speak of all the shameful things politicians do. Especially not to defend them. And we certainly do not need to believe every prurient rumor that people make up about politicians on "the other side" either.

We need to get our minds out of the gutter. As Ephesians 5 teaches us.

So why is there so much detail being discussed if it is 'shameful even to speak' ? I think if the focus should be more on how Jesus saves us from all sin and living our lives as an example of being delivered from sin. Then we would expose sin without us needing to refer to all of the manifestations of sin we see happening around us. We can easily get caught up with certain sinning and condemn it by our words and even get a wrong attitude about the sinner, whom Jesus loves and desires to save. At a certain point the discussions about sinning should be shameful for us to even mention and to want to get into great detail on how others are sinning and, to me, is suspect to why we go there. Myself, included.

To be blunt, I think our speech is often influenced more by political attack ads and political attack media than by the Bible.

People repeat salacious things about politicians they have practiced hating with a certain glee, often even without checking to see if they are true. And judging by our conversation, it often seems like we think the political world is much more real than the Kingdom of God.

I agree and I think we do the same thing on things not political. There is a considerable amount of fear-mongering and promoting of sin going on in the media that can be dangerous to get involved with. When the media controls what we talk about the most, then who is controlling what we put our minds on ?

From your OP -

I think Philippians tells us where our minds need to dwell:

Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

Would it be fair to say that these are not things in this text that the media majors on ? Are we not playing with fire to pay attention to the media and get sucked into their concerns and ways of seeing things or perhaps just pointing a finger at sinners for doing what they do ? Are these observations of sinners sinning causing us to care more about their souls and causing us to share the Gospel solution to all this ?

Some Christians won't have a TV for how it can negatively affect them spiritually yet have various sources to the news (i.e. MennonNet) that can have the same kind of negative affect. There is much shared on this forum that could be more of a hindrance to our lives than an encouragement and blessing. Various threads on bad things going on in the world - sinning.

How can we keep from being anxious about things going on in this world (as we are commanded to do) and reflecting the peace of God as described in this verse ? It takes personal discipline to obey and sometimes drop out of a thread when it is wandering from the guidance of this Philippians text.

“Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God; and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus” (Philippians 6-7, NKJV).

I think this gives us the answer as the old hymn goes 'take it to the Lord and leave it there'. Something I need to keep reminding myself of.

[Bootstrap]

People repeat salacious things about politicians they have practiced hating with a certain glee, often even without checking to see if they are true. And judging by our conversation, it often seems like we think the political world is much more real than the Kingdom of God.

Boot, I am 100% confident that Biden hung a pride flag at the white house and then had typical pride performance on the White House lawn. I don’t say this with glee either. (Republicans are just as in favour of homosexual marriage and promoting homosexuality, these days.)

It is, however, fair to talk about the public square, because eventually it does influence our private homes and churches. Isn’t that the problem with MC USA’s schizophrenic personality when it comes to homosexuality? They allowed the changes in the public square to change them in the church sphere.

And other churches have allowed Trumpism or nationalism to change them in the church sphere.

In both directions, it's a real problem.

[Valerie]

People repeat salacious things about politicians they have practiced hating with a certain glee, often even without checking to see if they are true. And judging by our conversation, it often seems like we think the political world is much more real than the Kingdom of God.

Boot, I am 100% confident that Biden hung a pride flag at the white house and then had typical pride performance on the White House lawn. I don’t say this with glee either. (Republicans are just as in favour of homosexual marriage and promoting homosexuality, these days.)

It is, however, fair to talk about the public square, because eventually it does influence our private homes and churches. Isn’t that the problem with MC USA’s schizophrenic personality when it comes to homosexuality? They allowed the changes in the public square to change them in the church sphere.

And other churches have allowed Trumpism or nationalism to change them in the church sphere.

In both directions, it's a real problem.

My Church absolutely does boot. You need to visit all churches before you can make assumptions. My pastors do not talk politics or nationalism. They do however preach through the Bible

[Bootstrap]

My Church absolutely does bot. You need to visit all churches before you can make assumptions. My pastors so not talk politics or nationalism. They do however preach through the Bible

Oh, there are definitely churches with the right focus. And I'm glad your church seems to be doing that.