Twisted moral compass?

Christian ethics and theology with an Anabaptist perspective

Given the scenario, what action(s) would you take?

Rat him/her out to church leadership.
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No votes
Do my own investigation on the side.
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13%
Matthew 18: approach the person head-on.
6
40%
Mind my own business. Let someone else rat them out.
3
20%
Something else?
4
27%
 
Total votes: 15

Ken
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Re: Twisted moral compass?

Post by Ken »

steve-in-kville wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 8:27 am
Ken wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 1:39 pm
And if so, SHOULD your response be different?
Yes and no. Typically I have found that a person's sin will find them out. To that end, its not fun being accused of something based on someone's "hunch" or perception. If someone is being hurt, I would be quicker to tell someone.

As far as tax evasion and such like, we have too many mennonite accountants in our area (that also fancy themselves lawyers) that have the local mennonite population convinced that cheating on taxes is justified and okay... but that is a thread for another time.... :D
The point I was trying to circle around is that not all sins are necessarily equal or equally urgent to address. If you think that a business might be doing "creative" bookkeeping that is a different level of urgency for you to get involved than say an individual involved in child sexual abuse. The original thread seems to be about business issues and not crimes/sins with actual victims.

Circumstances matter. I expect everyone does things that might be labeled as sins at different points in time. They don't all require urgent intervention or the same type of response.

The issue of Menno accountants who push the envelope too far might be a better subject for Sunday sermons than individual interventions.
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steve-in-kville

Re: Twisted moral compass?

Post by steve-in-kville »

Ken wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:48 am The original thread seems to be about business issues and not crimes/sins with actual victims.
Yeah, I intended it that way originally.
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temporal1

Re: Twisted moral compass?

Post by temporal1 »

steve-in-kville wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 7:53 am If you had a fellow church brother/sister who you knew were involved in shady business practices or such like, what actions, if any, would you take?

I'm giving a wide berth here and am intentionally being vague.

Vote for all that apply, comment as needed.
i’m requesting my post(s) be moved.
in general, not just in this thread, i’m helped when the topic’s subject line, poll question, and OP match.
i often respond to one or the other, mostly subject lines, i think.
but these things don’t always match very well.

in this case, no mention of business until the OP, which also is “intentionally vague.”

does this make sense?? maybe an example would help. :?

This subject line might be: “Business: Twisted moral compass?”

Before opening the page, adding one word would give direction to your poll question, and even your OP.

my 2 cents. :blah: :lol:
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Josh

Re: Twisted moral compass?

Post by Josh »

steve-in-kville wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:52 am
Ken wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:48 am The original thread seems to be about business issues and not crimes/sins with actual victims.
Yeah, I intended it that way originally.
Although crooked business practices do have victims. And I've found that a lot of people whose moral compass seems demagnetised when it comes to business issues... end up having more serious moral issues as well.
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Ken
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Re: Twisted moral compass?

Post by Ken »

Josh wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 12:31 pm
steve-in-kville wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:52 am
Ken wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:48 am The original thread seems to be about business issues and not crimes/sins with actual victims.
Yeah, I intended it that way originally.
Although crooked business practices do have victims. And I've found that a lot of people whose moral compass seems demagnetised when it comes to business issues... end up having more serious moral issues as well.
Oh, I agree.

I'm just making the point that that a business that is overly aggressive on tax write-offs is a different situation from a business that might be sexually abusing minors or illegally dumping toxic waste in a local river or watershed.
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Sudsy

Re: Twisted moral compass?

Post by Sudsy »

I picked 'Something else'. I believe the Holy Spirit who lives within the believer and has been given us as a guide will guide us if we need to get involved and to how to go about it. Praying about it and recognizing the Holy Spirit as our guide is what I believe Jesus intends us to do. He returned to the Father but He did not want us to be left alone without a guide as Jesus was a guide when on earth.

I'm often quite surprised by what seems to be a different understanding by some Anabaptists and other groups on how a believer is to obtain guidance today. Jesus did not leave us with the bible as our only source of guidance but as the early Anabaptists believed, the Spirit and the Word. Jesus put much emphasis on how the Holy Spirit would be active in the life of a true believer.

I guess there is perhaps quite a varied understanding regarding listening for and being led by the Holy Spirit in a Christian's individual walk with the Lord.
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Dan Z

Re: Twisted moral compass?

Post by Dan Z »

JimFoxvog wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:58 pm
Josh wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 11:43 am I ticked the "Matthew 18" box, but let's face it, I'll probably choose "Mind my own business. Let someone else rat them out." next time I'm faced with this.
I understand well. I checked Matthew 18 as it is the right thing to do, but have had experiences when it did not work out which makes it emotionally harder. I have also failed to follow Matthew 18 at times.
Same here.
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