Apostolic Christian Church / Nazarene / ETG / Fröhlich Congregations Worldwide Maps

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ACCGuy
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Re: Apostolic Christian Church / Nazarene / ETG / Fröhlich Congregations Worldwide Maps

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Praxis+Theodicy wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 7:06 am Wow! Super impressive.

The map is very cluttered until I get rid of the historical markers and defunct congregations. Then it thins out a lot :( This makes it seem like a very diminished church, but I'm not sure if that is an accurate assessment.

Some of the brothers and sisters in my church are for ACC. I like learning all I can about them. I heard Ready to Harvest is going to do a video on them this year.
I wouldn't say it is diminished, there have been struggles over the years(as most Anabaptist groups know too well) but over all, the church seems to be growing slowly. Early growth in the US was due to a very missions based mindset, combined with Mennonite communities wanting a less legalistic culture, but similar doctrine. As time went on, legalism seemed to tear the church apart with a major split around 1904-1910 revolving around the mustache, and possibly tobacco growth. As time went on, a mostly agricultural community turned to business, and we changed from large rural churches and small city churches, to a larger presence in the cities.

There was also a large change in the early 1900's as the Mennonite church slowly got less legalistic, and members started going back. This all but killed outreach and church plants for decades. Outreach started again in the 80's/90's, and we are seeing more church plants again.

Also, many of the closed churches are plants that did not take off due to various reasons, or small home meetings that did not result in a building and congregation forming. Many plants, such as Weiner Arkansas were doomed to failure at the start due to land not being what was promised by the sellers, and the entire church plant picked up an moved to plant elsewhere. Then you have places like Tremonton Utah where what seemed like a successful church plant was destroyed by the 1904 split.

There are plenty of churches that were closed due to other reasons, but over all, membership seems to be growing, even though some churches have left the denomination, or simply dried up due to members moving, or other factors.
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Praxis+Theodicy wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 7:06 am Wow! Super impressive.
Cheers bro.
Praxis+Theodicy wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 7:06 am I heard Ready to Harvest is going to do a video on them this year.
Yes I sent him the link to my maps and he said he was going to do something.
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ACCGuy wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 8:07 am
Swiss Brah wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 3:11 pm Cheers. I still tinker at it when I get new information.
I will send you a private message, with a link to the Spreadsheet. I gave a friend access last night, and he added a bunch of ACCN churches that I had never heard of.
Cheers bro, I'll be happy to incorporate new stuff or correct things I got wrong.
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Judas Maccabeus
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Swiss Brah wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 1:49 pm
ACCGuy wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 8:07 am
Swiss Brah wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 3:11 pm Cheers. I still tinker at it when I get new information.
I will send you a private message, with a link to the Spreadsheet. I gave a friend access last night, and he added a bunch of ACCN churches that I had never heard of.
Cheers bro, I'll be happy to incorporate new stuff or correct things I got wrong.
Wow. Just Wow. I wish I could get the database I work with to work like this.

Two notes, the Silver Spring Maryland congregation appears to be defunct. I have sent people who live in the DC suburbs there, and they do not seem to be able to make contact. It is no longer listed here:

https://www.apostolicchristian.org/find-a-congregation

I hope this is not the case..

Second note, for some reason the Upper Marlboro congregation does not appear in my database. While the terms you used may make sense to someone from a "Frohlich" background, I am not, so what would one likely see if they went there? Headcoverings, Four Part music, and preaching from a passage selected "on the spot" ? Or something else?

Just for the record, I preach fairly regularly, and being asked preach from a passage I had not prepared for scares me no end.

Oh, yes, I plan to be in Zurich sometime in the fall, assuming someone does not talk me into teaching History for another year.
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Re: Apostolic Christian Church / Nazarene / ETG / Fröhlich Congregations Worldwide Maps

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JohnH wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 7:16 am
Praxis+Theodicy wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 7:06 am Wow! Super impressive.

The map is very cluttered until I get rid of the historical markers and defunct congregations. Then it thins out a lot :( This makes it seem like a very diminished church, but I'm not sure if that is an accurate assessment.

Some of the brothers and sisters in my church are for ACC. I like learning all I can about them. I heard Ready to Harvest is going to do a video on them this year.
... about what, how to "harvest" them?
Doubt it. He is a Baptist, and has done some of these videos on Baptists. He has the demeanor of a teacher, not an evangelist.
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apparently the rosedale network of charges has also been ready to harvest.
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Judas Maccabeus wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2025 11:07 am
Second note, for some reason the Upper Marlboro congregation does not appear in my database. While the terms you used may make sense to someone from a "Frohlich" background, I am not, so what would one likely see if they went there? Headcoverings, Four Part music, and preaching from a passage selected "on the spot" ? Or something else?
In the conservative branches that would be the case. See the ACCA visitors guide : https://www.apostolicchristian.org/visitors-guide
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Swiss Brah wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2025 1:52 pm
Judas Maccabeus wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2025 11:07 am
Second note, for some reason the Upper Marlboro congregation does not appear in my database. While the terms you used may make sense to someone from a "Frohlich" background, I am not, so what would one likely see if they went there? Headcoverings, Four Part music, and preaching from a passage selected "on the spot" ? Or something else?
In the conservative branches that would be the case. See the ACCA visitors guide : https://www.apostolicchristian.org/visitors-guide
So, since the Upper Marlboro church is not in this database either, and it is:

"Apostolic Christian Church (Nazarean) (ACCN) ("tolerant"). Eastern Conference ("conservative")." one would expect to see none of this?
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Judas Maccabeus wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2025 2:21 pm
Swiss Brah wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2025 1:52 pm
Judas Maccabeus wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2025 11:07 am
Second note, for some reason the Upper Marlboro congregation does not appear in my database. While the terms you used may make sense to someone from a "Frohlich" background, I am not, so what would one likely see if they went there? Headcoverings, Four Part music, and preaching from a passage selected "on the spot" ? Or something else?
In the conservative branches that would be the case. See the ACCA visitors guide : https://www.apostolicchristian.org/visitors-guide
So, since the Upper Marlboro church is not in this database either, and it is:

"Apostolic Christian Church (Nazarean) (ACCN) ("tolerant"). Eastern Conference ("conservative")." one would expect to see none of this?
I guess you would expect to see all of this, but it‘s a Nazarean church, that‘s why it would not be in the ACCA database. Here is their website.

http://www.accancaster.org/upper-marlb ... yland.html
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Swiss Brah wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2025 3:26 pm
Judas Maccabeus wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2025 2:21 pm
Swiss Brah wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2025 1:52 pm

In the conservative branches that would be the case. See the ACCA visitors guide : https://www.apostolicchristian.org/visitors-guide
So, since the Upper Marlboro church is not in this database either, and it is:

"Apostolic Christian Church (Nazarean) (ACCN) ("tolerant"). Eastern Conference ("conservative")." one would expect to see none of this?
I guess you would expect to see all of this, but it‘s a Nazarean church, that‘s why it would not be in the ACCA database. Here is their website.

http://www.accancaster.org/upper-marlb ... yland.html
I’ve been looking at these websites and I was wondering what the difference is between tolerant and intolerant congregations. They make it a point to identify themselves as one or the other.
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