A Cross Cultural Experience

Christian ethics and theology with an Anabaptist perspective
Ernie
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Re: A Cross Cultural Experience

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JohnH wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2026 1:10 pm
Ernie wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2026 12:30 pm There are lots of different cross-cultural things going on in Akron. "Cross-cultural" can look different depending on the senario.
The above sort of critiquing, stereotyping, and overgeneralizing, without understanding, is what is NOT needed in Akron.
That's why I tried to make it a bit simpler. Were any people from Akron there who weren't ethnic Anabaptists and also not migrants?
I'm not sure what you mean by "there".
At the memorial service I attended, there were Bhutanese-Nepalese and ethnic Anabaptists. The service was hosted by a Bhutanese church. As far as I know, anyone else who wanted to show their sympathies would have been welcome to attend provided they were sincere and not there to critique the church gathering.
At the Brethren service there were Bhutanese-Nepalese, Egyptians, and ethnic Anabaptists. As far as I know, anyone else with a good, non-judgmental spirit would have been welcome to attend.
At the Bible study I attended, there were Bhutanese-Nepalese, Afghans, and ethnic Anabaptists, as well as visitors from a distance who were not ethnic Anabaptist. I was told that Christians who are teachable, workable, non-judgmental, builders, under spiritual authority, and share the vision and perspectives of the mission are welcome to apply.
I did not attend an Anabaptist church gathering, so I can't speak to that.
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Re: A Cross Cultural Experience

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Ernie wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2026 9:21 pm I'm not sure what you mean by "there".
At the memorial service I attended, there were Bhutanese-Nepalese and ethnic Anabaptists. The service was hosted by a Bhutanese church. As far as I know, anyone else who wanted to show their sympathies would have been welcome to attend provided they were sincere and not there to critique the church gathering.
At the Brethren service there were Bhutanese-Nepalese, Egyptians, and ethnic Anabaptists. As far as I know, anyone else with a good, non-judgmental spirit would have been welcome to attend.
At the Bible study I attended, there were Bhutanese-Nepalese, Afghans, and ethnic Anabaptists, as well as visitors from a distance who were not ethnic Anabaptist. I was told that Christians who are teachable, workable, non-judgmental, builders, under spiritual authority, and share the vision and perspectives of the mission are welcome to apply.
I did not attend an Anabaptist church gathering, so I can't speak to that.
Your frequent use of “non-judgmental” as a prerequisite condition of attendence, feels like a red flag to me. It makes me wonder if something is going on there that probably needs to be judged, and because it has been judged so hard in the past, we are now screening attendees by spirit and attitude.

It’s just not typically a screen that most transparent, serious and competent churches need to have to shield themselves, their events, their activities with.

The only other event that I heard of, where visitors were specifically and proactively told they weren’t welcome unless they were non-judgmental, was an event that I might consider to be a fringe activity.
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Re: A Cross Cultural Experience

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Ernie, I affirm the work you have put into being a unified body of Christ even where we are separated by custom, language and history. There is value in the effort you have put into sincere interdenominational dialogue and demonstrating love and solidarity with groups of believers outside your tradition. I've observed you carry that spiritual of listening and generosity into your discussions on Mennonet.

There is real power in generosity that comes from grounded commitment to your own practice, it's the antidote to the friction that arises from people who are really uncertain who they are on a deep level.
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Ernie
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Re: A Cross Cultural Experience

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R7ehr wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2026 9:55 pm
Ernie wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2026 9:21 pm I'm not sure what you mean by "there".
At the memorial service I attended, there were Bhutanese-Nepalese and ethnic Anabaptists. The service was hosted by a Bhutanese church. As far as I know, anyone else who wanted to show their sympathies would have been welcome to attend provided they were sincere and not there to critique the church gathering.
At the Brethren service there were Bhutanese-Nepalese, Egyptians, and ethnic Anabaptists. As far as I know, anyone else with a good, non-judgmental spirit would have been welcome to attend.
At the Bible study I attended, there were Bhutanese-Nepalese, Afghans, and ethnic Anabaptists, as well as visitors from a distance who were not ethnic Anabaptist. I was told that Christians who are teachable, workable, non-judgmental, builders, under spiritual authority, and share the vision and perspectives of the mission are welcome to apply.
I did not attend an Anabaptist church gathering, so I can't speak to that.
Your frequent use of “non-judgmental” as a prerequisite condition of attendence, feels like a red flag to me. It makes me wonder if something is going on there that probably needs to be judged, and because it has been judged so hard in the past, we are now screening attendees by spirit and attitude.

It’s just not typically a screen that most transparent, serious and competent churches need to have to shield themselves, their events, their activities with.

The only other event that I heard of, where visitors were specifically and proactively told they weren’t welcome unless they were non-judgmental, was an event that I might consider to be a fringe activity.
I didn't include the word "Christian" in my last post, and I should have. (I did earlier).
I was specifically referring to those who profess Christianity, believe they know how other churches should operate, and have a judgmental, divisive spirit that keeps them from being able to work well on a team. Many veteran church planters I know have dealt with this sort of people at times and it is a common topic at church planter's events about how to deal with such things. There is something magnetic about church plants that are really doing well at engaging people with the Gospel and making disciples. People want to be part of the action. But such efforts tend to attract some folks who are not builders. This then results in some policies or understandings to help keep this from happening more than necessary.

In the book of Acts we read about Judaizers who went to Antioch and stirred things up and caused a lot of dissension and debate. It resulted Paul and Barnabas needing to make a trip to Jerusalem (before the days of cars, likely on foot), a lengthy counsel, and apology letters being sent back to Antioch. It takes a lot of time to resolve such situations, more time than what many small churches and missions have time to deal with. These kinds of matters can distract churches from their calling. Antioch seems to have been large enough that it could spare a couple brothers for awhile. Or maybe they couldn't really spare them but they didn't have any other choice. I'm guessing the Antioch church would have been glad if the Jerusalem church would have spared them this ordeal. Some good resulted from this, but it was still an unnecessary debacle.

If the COGiCM folks were holding Bible studies in my town and some members from my church would show up week after week and tell them they are doing it all wrong and that they shouldn't be teaching what they are teaching, and they should be doing the mission in a different way, I think they might end up drawing some boundaries as well. (And they would likely really wish that the rest of us would corral our members and keep them at home.)

Hopefully this gives you an idea of what the church is trying to avoid. I'm sympathetic to their concerns.

So a question for you,
If you were conducting Bible studies in your town among the unchurched and less churches, and folks with the spirit of the Judaizers came and created dissension in the meetings week after week, told you that you are doing it wrong, and tried to advance their agenda, what might your response be?
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Re: A Cross Cultural Experience

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There are about 35-40,000 Nepalese living in Akron.
Are these numbers correct?

If 21% of people in Akron are Nepalese, I think I would have noticed.
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Ernie
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Re: A Cross Cultural Experience

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JohnH wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2026 11:16 pm
There are about 35-40,000 Nepalese living in Akron.
Are these numbers correct?

If 21% of people in Akron are Nepalese, I think I would have noticed.
This referred to the greater Akron area. The Mormons were giving a slightly smaller number 5 years ago. More have moved in since then and there are lots more children.
https://akronohiostake.news/2021/03/30/ ... ali-group/

But I'm glad to stand corrected.

AI says:
The population in Northeast Ohio is highly dynamic. Many Bhutanese refugees were initially placed by federal resettlement agencies in other states (like Texas, Arizona, or New York) but later relocated to Akron by choice. This "secondary migration" to find affordable housing, manufacturing jobs, and established cultural centers keeps the local population growing faster than official census schedules can record.
I heard 60,000 for the greater Columbus area. But again, that does not match official estimates.
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Re: A Cross Cultural Experience

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The Akron metro area is around 700,000. The Akron MSA as a whole is not 6% Nepali people.

If it is, that is a massive displacement of existing people in Akron; the Akron MSA's population has been essentially flat (sometimes declining) since 2000.

I suspect the Mormons are not terribly precise in their statistics gathering.
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Re: A Cross Cultural Experience

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JohnH wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2026 8:18 am The Akron metro area is around 700,000. The Akron MSA as a whole is not 6% Nepali people.
No, but they are not evenly distributed. Zip code 44310 is apparently 10.7% Nepali.
https://www.neilsberg.com/insights/list ... -zip-code/

That site gives the total Nepalese population in the midwestern US as just over 50,000, estimated from census data. At least a quarter of those are in the Akron and Columbus areas.
JohnH wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2026 8:18 am I suspect the Mormons are not terribly precise in their statistics gathering.
Nor in sourcing their stats: "It’s said that there are..."

Still, it's a large enough group to be considered on its own.
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Ernie
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Re: A Cross Cultural Experience

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ohio jones wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2026 10:42 am No, but they are not evenly distributed. Zip code 44310 is apparently 10.7% Nepali.
https://www.neilsberg.com/insights/list ... -zip-code/

That site gives the total Nepalese population in the midwestern US as just over 50,000, estimated from census data. At least a quarter of those are in the Akron and Columbus areas.
I'm also not sure if the estimates include all the children born the last 20 years or just the folks who immigrated.
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Re: A Cross Cultural Experience

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The last census was in 2020; Akron city’s population was 190k and the entire metro area 700k.

The census claimed 3,200 Nepalis in Akron city’s population, nearly all in one area.

Perhaps there are an additional 46,000 here covertly, not responding to census takers, etc but I really doubt it.
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