Southern Baptists aren't on that list. I guess they aren't joiners. But they are most certainly the largest evangelical denomination in the US.ohio jones wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 2:53 pmMaybe we could use the membership list of the National Association of Evangelicals: a few Presbyterian groups, but not the main bodies. Paedobaptists and sabbatarians are not excluded.
What do Anabaptists and Evangelicals share in common?
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Re: What do Anabaptists and Evangelicals share in common?
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Re: What do Anabaptists and Evangelicals share in common?
The list is more helpful in terms of describing boundaries than defining contents.Ken wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 3:03 pmSouthern Baptists aren't on that list. I guess they aren't joiners. But they are most certainly the largest evangelical denomination in the US.ohio jones wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 2:53 pmMaybe we could use the membership list of the National Association of Evangelicals: a few Presbyterian groups, but not the main bodies. Paedobaptists and sabbatarians are not excluded.
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Re: What do Anabaptists and Evangelicals share in common?
I'm pretty sure that PCA churches are considered evangelical but I could be wrong.
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Re: What do Anabaptists and Evangelicals share in common?
Oh, I have been to some Catholic events lately ...
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Re: What do Anabaptists and Evangelicals share in common?
I agree.QuietlyListening wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 4:03 pm I'm pretty sure that PCA churches are considered evangelical but I could be wrong.
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Re: What do Anabaptists and Evangelicals share in common?
Often as a political category. Which is a little mindblowing.joshuabgood wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 1:49 pm Evangelical is a tricky term. A few years back Evangelical meant "wishy washy" Christians like Billy Graham as opposed to the stalwart defenders of the faith like Bob Jones, Martin Lloyd-Jones, etc. The old guard didn't like the softness, nondenominationalism, (and incidentally integrationist stances,) of Graham and other so called Evangelicals from Wheatland etc.
Now Evangelical is applied a lot more broadly.
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Re: What do Anabaptists and Evangelicals share in common?
PCA left the National Association of Evangelicals in 2022.ohio jones wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 2:53 pm Maybe we could use the membership list of the National Association of Evangelicals: a few Presbyterian groups, but not the main bodies. Paedobaptists and sabbatarians are not excluded.
So, if we are going to use the modern definition of Evangelicals, that permits infant baptism, I guess they are/were self-identified Evangelicals.
From what I can read online, it was in the 1940's that people like Billy Graham began pushing to unite the paedobaptists and the credobaptists.
So, I guess Anabaptists, who were willing to die for paedobaptism, are among the few remaining movements who still believe that credobaptism vs. paedobaptism is indeed a primary issue rather than a secondary issue. (This may only apply to the traditional Anabaptists and not the progressive wing.)
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Re: What do Anabaptists and Evangelicals share in common?
As someone who spent 30 years in evangelical baptist churches, I can confirm that even among baptists, infant baptism is a secondary concern. This is northern baptists; southern or otherwise might feel differently (but then might not consider themselves evangelical?).Ernie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 4:39 pmPCA left the National Association of Evangelicals in 2022.ohio jones wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 2:53 pm Maybe we could use the membership list of the National Association of Evangelicals: a few Presbyterian groups, but not the main bodies. Paedobaptists and sabbatarians are not excluded.
So, if we are going to use the modern definition of Evangelicals, that permits infant baptism, I guess they are/were self-identified Evangelicals.
From what I can read online, it was in the 1940's that people like Billy Graham began pushing to unite the paedobaptists and the credobaptists.
So, I guess Anabaptists, who were willing to die for paedobaptism, are among the few remaining movements who still believe that credobaptism vs. paedobaptism is indeed a primary issue rather than a secondary issue. (This may only apply to the traditional Anabaptists and not the progressive wing.)
Ernie, to your original question,
1) I'd like to see the panel if it is recorded. Is it the ecumenical panel at Penn State that you did before?
2) I agree with the first response that a high view of scripture is the biggest thing that defines evangelicals against the mainline and also includes conservative Anabaptists. This is why conferences such as MCUSA are sometimes called "Mainline Mennonites".
However, evangelicalism is defined against mainline on the one side and fundamentalist on the other. Evangelicalism wanted the doctrinal steadfastness of the fundamentalists as well as the emphasis on cultural and political engagement of the mainline. Conservative Anabaptists have more in common with the fundamentalists and aren't generally concerned with being defined as engaging the culture and politics of general society. This would put them in the fundamentalist camp without much of the crossover to evangelicalism.
3) Here is a video that I found very helpful in defining what it means for a church or a Christian to be a part of the evangelical movement. Perhaps it will help you find more similarities that you are looking for.
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Re: What do Anabaptists and Evangelicals share in common?
Yes, this is the third time I have participated.Praxis+Theodicy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 1:50 pm Ernie, to your original question,
1) I'd like to see the panel if it is recorded. Is it the ecumenical panel at Penn State that you did before?
I will start a new thread once the video is uploaded.
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