Today is the day of commemoration of the Armenian Genocide: the first genocide of the 20th century: the systematic displacement, mass slaughter, and starvation of at least 1.5 million Armenians in 1915 under Ottoman rule.
However, most who have published anything about it seem to omit two key and essential facts:
1. Who were the victims?
It was not simply an ethnic genocide against Armenians, but a predominantly religiously motivated genocide against Christians. It was Armenian Christians who were massacred en masse. It was the deliberate and systematic annihilation of one of the world's longest-standing Christian populations in Anatolia (present-day Turkey). Just to show how ancient it is: all seven churches to which the Apostle John wrote from the Isle of Patmos, his final book of Revelation, are located here. By the way: although it was the Armenian Christians who suffered the most, Assyrian/Syriac and Greek Orthodox Christians were also systematically murdered and expelled from Eastern Anatolia.
2. Who were the perpetrators?
They called themselves the Committee of Union and Progress (CUP), popularly known as the "Young Turks." A liberal reformist movement whose main objective was to overthrow the Ottoman monarchy and establish a constitutional republic. Their motto, the same as the bloody French Revolution they idealized, was "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity." In 1908, they successfully ended the reign of Sultan Abdul Hamid II and, from 1909 to 1918, they ruled the twilight of the Ottoman Empire as a brutal dictatorship, carrying out genocides against the native Christian Armenian, Greek, and Assyrian populations, erasing nearly two thousand years of Christian civilization in Eastern Anatolia.
Question: Who were the masterminds of the CUP?
The London Times wrote on July 11, 1911, on page 5 of its newspaper (it can still be found in the archives of the national newspaper):
"It is a well-known fact that the Salonika Committee was formed under Masonic auspices with the help of the Dönmeh of Turkey, whose headquarters are in Salonika, and whose organization took, even under Abdul Hamid, a Masonic form. Emmanuel Carasso, Salem, Sassun, Fardji, Meslah, and Dönmehs such as Djavid Bey and the Baldji family, played an influential part both in the organization of the Committee and in the deliberations of its central body in Salonika.
Before it was called the Committee of Union and Progress (CUP), it was called the Thessaloniki Committee. Right there, in the ancient city of Thessalonica—yes, the same ancient city where the Apostle Paul preached and for which he was violently expelled by the Pharisees (see Acts 17:5ff.)— a group of elite and wealthy Freemasons from the well-known Masonic lodge Macedonia Risorta.
Some of them were "Dönmeh." What's that?
According to the Encyclopedia Britannica article:
– "At the beginning of the 20th century, the Dönmeh, well represented in the professional classes, were active in the Young Turk movement and the 1908 revolution."
It wasn't until October 29, 2019, that the United States House of Representatives passed a resolution that finally and officially recognized before the entire world the atrocities that occurred during the Armenian Genocide.
So, what was the first mass genocide of the 20th century? Without a doubt: the Armenian Genocide.
Who were the victims? Christians, primarily Armenians, but also Assyrians and Orthodox Christians.
Who were the perpetrators? The political organizations of the Young Turks and the Masonic lodges.
Now you know.
A sad commemoration
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P.S. Approximately 1.5 million Christians were killed, mostly men. But at least 100,000 to 200,000 Armenians, mostly women and children, were forcibly "Islamized," that is, forced to convert to Islam and take on new husbands and fathers, or worse in many cases, become sex slaves to their new masters.
May their names never be forgotten
May their names never be forgotten
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It's kind of ridiculous how Turkey got away with this, particularly when compared to how Germany has had to deal with the Holocaust.
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It wasn't just Armenians. It was all ethnic minorities in the Turkish areas of the Ottoman Empire including Greeks, Kurds, etc.
Essentially what happened is that the multi-ethnic Ottoman Empire, which at its peak stretched from Austria to Iran and encompassed hundreds of different ethnic groups, slowly collapsed leaving multiple groups fighting for the same lands. What made things worse was that for centuries, people of every ethnic group could basically migrate and move about the Ottoman Empire as they wished which produced lots of multi-ethnic cities and regions and made it impossible to un-scramble the omelet and re-separate out different ethnic and religious groups to their prehistoric borders.
The Turks saw themselves as the successors to the Ottoman Empire in Anatolia as all of Europe shifted from empires to ethnic nation states. And so sought to purge the area of non-Turks. The Armenian genocide was one result of this effort. They did the same thing against the Greek minority populations on the opposite side of Anatolia, some of whom had lived in the area since Alexander the Great: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_genocide And Kurds and other minority groups suffered the same fate.
Of course 100 years later Israel is doing the same exact thing as the Turks in its own corner of the former Ottoman Empire with its campaigns of ethnic cleansing in Gaza and the West Bank. There is absolutely no difference. It is just a different ethnic group trying to lay exclusive claim to what was its own multi-ethnic corner of the former Ottoman Empire.
Essentially what happened is that the multi-ethnic Ottoman Empire, which at its peak stretched from Austria to Iran and encompassed hundreds of different ethnic groups, slowly collapsed leaving multiple groups fighting for the same lands. What made things worse was that for centuries, people of every ethnic group could basically migrate and move about the Ottoman Empire as they wished which produced lots of multi-ethnic cities and regions and made it impossible to un-scramble the omelet and re-separate out different ethnic and religious groups to their prehistoric borders.
The Turks saw themselves as the successors to the Ottoman Empire in Anatolia as all of Europe shifted from empires to ethnic nation states. And so sought to purge the area of non-Turks. The Armenian genocide was one result of this effort. They did the same thing against the Greek minority populations on the opposite side of Anatolia, some of whom had lived in the area since Alexander the Great: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_genocide And Kurds and other minority groups suffered the same fate.
Of course 100 years later Israel is doing the same exact thing as the Turks in its own corner of the former Ottoman Empire with its campaigns of ethnic cleansing in Gaza and the West Bank. There is absolutely no difference. It is just a different ethnic group trying to lay exclusive claim to what was its own multi-ethnic corner of the former Ottoman Empire.
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It's enraging how turkey deny this even today is not only the fault of justice nobody was punished for this terrible crime but even today they refuse to recognize the truth
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Yes that's why i mention orthodox greek they were slaughtered in this genocide tooKen wrote: ↑Thu Apr 24, 2025 4:03 pm They did the same thing against the Greek minority populations on the opposite side of Anatolia, some of whom had lived in the area since Alexander the Great: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_genocide And Kurds and other minority groups suffered the same fate.
I agree with you i don't see any ethical difference between the situation in armenia in 1922 and the actual state of things in gaza. What is happening there is a genocideKen wrote: ↑Thu Apr 24, 2025 4:03 pm
Of course 100 years later Israel is doing the same exact thing as the Turks in its own corner of the former Ottoman Empire with its campaigns of ethnic cleansing in Gaza and the West Bank. There is absolutely no difference. It is just a different ethnic group trying to lay exclusive claim to what was its own multi-ethnic corner of the former Ottoman Empire.
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I'm ashamed to be human. Most cultures have these really dark times where we think "they" need to be gotten out of the way and their rights simply don't matter. The excuses that "we" make up for this kind of behavior are also just plain scary.
But you see this at times in all societies. We like to forget about it here. Steven Hahn has written on this:
https://wwnorton.com/books/9780393635928
The invention of chattel slavery in the United States, the trail of tears, the Wilmington race riots, the Sand Creek Massacre, Japanese American Internment (1942–1945), Japanese American Internment (1942–1945) ...The United States was born a republic of loosely connected states and localities that demanded control of their domestic institutions, including slavery. As white settlement expanded west and immigration exploded in eastern cities, the democracy of the 1830s fueled expulsions of Blacks, Native Americans, Catholics, Mormons, and abolitionists. After the Civil War, southern states denied new constitutional guarantees of civil rights and enforced racial exclusions in everyday life. Illiberalism was modernized during the Progressive movement through advocates of eugenics who aimed to reduce the numbers of racial and ethnic minorities as well as the poor. The turmoil of the 1960s enabled George Wallace to tap local fears of unrest and build support outside the South, a politics adopted by Richard Nixon in 1968.
Of course, in Tasmania, human beings were hunted down for sport. In some countries, you can shoot the homeless with impunity. Cambodia had the Killing Fields. Pick your country, I can find atrocities people like to deny.
Human beings need redemption. That Other Kingdom can often bring out the worst in us.
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1. Are we discussing the topic? Good.
2. Are we going around and around in a fight? Let's stop doing that.
3. Is there some serious wrongdoing or relational injury? Let's address that, probably not in public and certainly not for show.
2. Are we going around and around in a fight? Let's stop doing that.
3. Is there some serious wrongdoing or relational injury? Let's address that, probably not in public and certainly not for show.