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Freemasons were very influential in the founding of America. More influential than genuine Christianity, in my opinion.

But as far as I can tell, Freemasons are even less influential than genuine Christians in modern American society. They still exist, but they just aren't that influential anymore.

Lex reincarnated?

ken_sylvania wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 2:00 pm Lex reincarnated?

no registration post?

Don’t think I like where this is going…
Set your mind on things above not below and seek after a heavenly kingdom.

slave wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 2:13 pm What do you mean by "American society"? If you mean American culture, then it was created by the Freemasons, because American culture emerged from Hollywood and Hollywood was created by Jewish Freemasons. See here:

"The Hollywood Jews created a powerful cluster of images and ideas ... so powerful that, in a sense, they colonized the American imagination. Ultimately, American values came to be defined by the movies the Jews made." Neil Gabler, An Empire of Their Own: How the Jews Invented Hollywood

Nonsense. American culture, American society, and American values was very much a thing long before Hollywood and long before motion pictures were even invented. For example, Alexis de Tocqueville comments at great length on the unique aspects of American culture and he was writing in the 1830s. As did Mark Twain writing in the 1870s and 1880s, Herman Melville writing in the 1850s, Edith Wharton writing in the 1890s, and so forth. And their observations on American culture still ring true today.

Yes, Jewish emigres were instrumental in founding Hollywood. But they were able to do so because it was a new industry in a new part of the country, and not an old-money industry dominated more by WASPS from older cities like New York and Boston. It is no coincidence that the motion picture industry grew up in California and not the establishment Northeast.

None of the real powers in America at that time were Jewish. They were all WASPS from the Northeast and controlled all the established industries like railroads, steel, shipping, manufacturing, banking: People like Vanderbilt, Carnegie, Gould, Rockefeller, JP Morgan, etc. And during the 1800s, Jews were largely excluded from elite American institutions like the Ivy League universities.

*anti-Semitism warning*

slave wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 1:49 pm My claim:
America is a Masonic country.

Just a minute slave, your introductory post says you are here to discuss the Bible. What you're posting so far doesn't seem to have anything to do with Anabaptism or the Bible.

slave wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 11:52 am Hello, I'm an Anabaptist, and I'm here to discuss about the Bible.

slave wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 2:58 pm

Ken wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 2:42 pm

slave wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 2:13 pm What do you mean by "American society"? If you mean American culture, then it was created by the Freemasons, because American culture emerged from Hollywood and Hollywood was created by Jewish Freemasons. See here:

Nonsense. American culture, American society, and American values was very much a thing long before Hollywood and long before motion pictures were even invented. For example, Alexis de Tocqueville comments at great length on the unique aspects of American culture and he was writing in the 1830s. As did Mark Twain writing in the 1870s and 1880s, Herman Melville writing in the 1850s, Edith Wharton writing in the 1890s, and so forth. And their observations on American culture still ring true today.

I was referring to modern American culture, which emerged from Hollywood. Read the quote from Neal Gabler, he says that Hollywood Jews have defined American values. There is no doubt about the cultural influence of Hollywood on not only America but the whole world.

Neil Gabler is a professional film critic. Of course he is going to center his discussion on film. But I would suggest to you there is absolutely nothing Hollywood created that was not based on earlier cultural themes. Every Hollywood genre is based on earlier notions of American culture and society and often borrows directly from older American novels and plays or even older works of the Western literary cannon such as Shakespeare, Homer, Sophocles and, of course, the Bible. For example, American film classics like the Wizard of Oz were based on earlier novels which themselves borrow from Homer's Odyssey and other ancient literary themes.

slave wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 3:37 pm

mike wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 3:28 pm

slave wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 1:49 pm My claim:
America is a Masonic country.

Just a minute slave, your introductory post says you are here to discuss the Bible. What you're posting so far doesn't seem to have anything to do with Anabaptism or the Bible.

slave wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 11:52 am Hello, I'm an Anabaptist, and I'm here to discuss about the Bible.

It has to do with the Bible because American Freemasonry is Babylon, see Revelation 17:18. I will explain this, God willing. It's a deep topic.

I don't think God is all that willing. Neither are most of us here...

slave wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 3:42 pm

barnhart wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 3:20 pm *anti-Semitism warning*

What do you mean by "anti-Semitism"? Is it anti-Semitism if I tell facts? Is it anti-Semitism to say Jews brought Freemasonry to America

The Judeo-Masonic Conspiracy Theory is an old and well-worn anti-Semitic trope popular in anti-Semitic circles based on the fabricated Protocols of the Elders of Zion. It even has its own Wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judeo-Mas ... acy_theory

The Judeo-Masonic conspiracy is an antisemitic and anti-Masonic conspiracy theory involving an alleged secret coalition of Jews and Freemasons. These theories are popular on the far-right, particularly in France, Turkey, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Germany, Russia, Serbia, Eastern Europe, and Japan, with similar allegations still being published.

The Judeo-Masonic conspiracy theory merges two older strains of conspiracy claims: Masonic conspiracy theories claims and antisemitic conspiracy claims. It was heavily influenced by publication of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a fabricated document that appeared in the Russian Empire purporting to be an exposé of a worldwide Jewish conspiracy. The Protocols claim that the Jews had infiltrated Freemasonry and were using the fraternity to further their aims. Adherents of the Judeo-Masonic conspiracy took the claim made by the Protocols to extremes and claimed that the leaders of Freemasonry and the leaders of the Jewish plot were one and the same.

An example was the Spanish Roman Catholic priest Juan Tusquets Terrats, whose Orígenes de la revolución española and other works built on the Protocols, which he translated, to claim that Jews used Freemasons and communists to undermine Christian and Spanish civilisation, providing a justification for the Francoist régime, which expanded the threat to an international Judeo-Masonic-Communist conspiracy (see also: Jewish Bolshevism).

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