Jackson MS water crisis

[nett]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62727586

Jackson MS has been so poorly managed for so long they are now facing an acute crisis. Similar issues will be coming for most cities as our unsustainable infrastructure starts to fail.

This is the look of an empire in collapse.

[temporal1]

i was having similar thots this morning. people are suffering.

2022 / Not Katrina
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=4999

in record time, this admin has so many self-inflicted HUGE failures.
with media collusion, they’re doing a bang-up job of deflecting attention to “problems that don’t exist” (for biased politics).

In the Sam Harris thread, Grace and Falco:
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=4987

[temporal1]

Great infrastructure results when BUSINESS and/or MILITARY demands it.
Great infrastructure isn’t built to accomodate welfare states.

???

[Josh]

Certain posters on MN keep asserting that everyone who lives in rural areas wants to move to the cities.

I am questioning exactly how many people will want to live in cities when they lack amenities such as water, sewer, gas (cf. gas bills in Europe going up 250% - 400%), electricity (cf. California announcing blackouts today, and in Europe [ur=https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-n ... d-27863592]a small coffee shop getting whacked with a €10,000 electric bill) , and garbage collection.

Meanwhile, sustainable rural areas take care of their own water, sewer, and trash, tend to stockpile propane or wood for heating, and being without electric is an inconvenience as opposed to a disaster.

[MaxPC]

Certain posters on MN keep asserting that everyone who lives in rural areas wants to move to the cities.

I am questioning exactly how many people will want to live in cities when they lack amenities such as water, sewer, gas (cf. gas bills in Europe going up 250% - 400%), electricity (cf. California announcing blackouts today, and in Europe [ur=https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-n ... d-27863592]a small coffee shop getting whacked with a €10,000 electric bill) , and garbage collection.

Meanwhile, sustainable rural areas take care of their own water, sewer, and trash, tend to stockpile propane or wood for heating, and being without electric is an inconvenience as opposed to a disaster.

Indeed and amen.

[ken_sylvania]

Certain posters on MN keep asserting that everyone who lives in rural areas wants to move to the cities.

Your lies get tiresome.

[Soloist]

Great infrastructure results when BUSINESS and/or MILITARY demands it.
Great infrastructure isn’t built to accomodate welfare states.

???

Actually... Military goes for the cheapest bidder and we made it work... Meanwhile the brass keeps cutting jobs for military and passing them to civilian ran services.

[temporal1]

Great infrastructure results when BUSINESS and/or MILITARY demands it.
Great infrastructure isn’t built to accomodate welfare states.

???

Actually... Military goes for the cheapest bidder and we made it work... Meanwhile the brass keeps cutting jobs for military and passing them to civilian ran services.

i’m not sure what you’re thinking of, i’m interested;
i was thinking of the Roman Roads and U.S. Civil War railroad expansion.

from what i understand, lots of important advances in medicine were made in response to needs of wars.
my impression is, “necessity is the mother of invention.”

i’m not optimistic about great infrastructure being provided for convenience of a welfare state, nor to serve illegal drugs, abortion seekers, gamblers .. undeveloped countries have all these, without great infrastructure. (i cite these things because in my state, conventional business has been harmed, Chicago politicians get all excited about drugs, abortion, gambling). i presume they know who votes for them. years ago, i read illinois has more on some form of welfare than gainfully employed. the governor is super proud this state is an regional center for abortion. will this warrant new highways and bridges? i’m doubtful.

meanwhile, lots of former railroad tracks have been removed, some converted to bike trails.
bikes don’t make a lot of sense. nice for occasional leisure. but the days out of the year when extremes in wind+weather accomodates are limited, daylight hours are limited much of the year. with few exceptions, regardless of bike lanes provided, i rarely see anyone biking. even on the nicest days. (there are some committed die-hards.) not enough to warrant the infrastructure funding they already receive. not here.

if wishes were horses ..
well. it may come to horses. i digress.

[nett]

Certain posters on MN keep asserting that everyone who lives in rural areas wants to move to the cities.

Your lies get tiresome.

Tough to have a constructive conversation when you call obvious hyperbole a lie. Though I suspect you're not here for a constructive conversation about this topic.

[Ken]

Certain posters on MN keep asserting that everyone who lives in rural areas wants to move to the cities.

Your lies get tiresome.

The four most rural states in the country (percentage of population living in rural census tracts) and the only four states with more than 50% of the population living in rural areas are:

Maine–61%
Vermont–61%
West Virginia–51%
Mississippi–51%

You tell us which of these states is growing.

Hint, three of the four lost population in the last census with West Virginia leading the nation in terms of population loss (as a percentage of population). The only one that grew was Maine and all of it's growth was concentrated in the non-rural Portland area which is more or less becoming an exurb of the greater Boston area. The rural parts of northern Maine are all bleeding population.

On a national level, rural America lost ground both in total population and as a percentage of the population from 2010 to 2020. And over 2/3rds of rural counties lost population compared to only 1/3 that grew. Most of those that grew were in destination resort areas like Colorado ski towns, or rural counties adjacent to larger cities that absorbed suburban growth. You would be hard pressed to find a single growing rural county anywhere in the country that doesn't meet one of those two criteria. And if you do find one it is probably due to some big massive infrastructure project like a new refinery or large scale mine or some such: https://carsey.unh.edu/publication-rura ... in-history

There are no topics ever that EVERYONE agrees on. Plenty of people choose to live in rural areas. But the trends are pretty clear.

Shall we talk about other rural trends like the tidal wave of rural hospital closures across the country concentrated mostly in states that did not expand Medicaid under the ACA? Or other similar trends?