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Interesting News Out of Russia
Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 10:33 pm
by MaxPC
Re: Interesting News Out of Russia
Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 10:40 pm
by temporal1
It reminds of Mother Teresa.
“Give that child to me. I want it. I will care for it. I am willing to accept any child who would be aborted and to give that child to a married couple who will love the child and be loved by the child.”
“If you want to change the world, go home and love your family.”
Re: Interesting News Out of Russia
Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 11:01 pm
by Valerie
Hallelujah!
It brings back memories to me of a couple in our previous Church. She was pregnant with their third child and the doctor but the baby had spinal bifida and advised them to abort him. He was preparing them for a terrible situation at birth.
This couple would not consider abortion. Several months later a healthy beautiful baby boy was born with absolutely no problems. But if it had been the way that doctor was indicating it would possibly be they would have faced that situation with God's help.
Too often parents are encouraged to abort and I'm glad to see Russia take that position
Re: Interesting News Out of Russia
Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2021 10:02 am
by temporal1
To give perspective to the radical nature of this moral decision to protect the unborn, knowing the polar opposite is being practiced in Denmark and other Western European countries, is tragic+important.
Denmark and Down Syndrome
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/lett ... -1.3319280
Sir, – The Danish ambassador to Ireland claims that his country does not have a policy to eradicate people with Down Syndrome, and says that, in 2016 “there were four children born in Denmark with Down’s syndrome after prenatal diagnosis” (News, December 5th).
He failed to disclose, however, that according to the Danish Cytogenetic Central Register, an average of 98 per cent of babies diagnosed with Down Syndrome before birth are aborted each year.
In 2016, according to official figures, 137 preborn babies were diagnosed the condition in Denmark, and 133 children were aborted while just four were born. Six years previously, in 2010, of the 156 babies diagnosed with Down Syndrome in utero, every single one was aborted.
This shocking and tragic reality is not brought about by chance.
In a 2015 interview with Vice News, the professor of gynaecology and obstetrics at the University of Copenhagen, said: “I think that Danish women are less sentimental about aborting malformed fetuses partly because that view is supported by professional medical staff. Recommending abortions isn’t an obligation but we give very realistic prognoses . . . We give parents realistic expectations about future problems and generally, women carrying foetuses with severe malformations are recommended to terminate the pregnancy.”
Denmark’s abortion policy, and its effect on their culture, is clearly central to the almost complete eradication of people with Down Syndrome in that country. It is a reality that the debate on abortion in this country cannot ignore. –
Yours, etc,
NIAMH UÍ BHRIAIN,
Life Institute,
Dublin 1.
Down syndrome elimination in Denmark is "Just another day at the office"
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/down-syn ... c3f26221d0
Should you abort a fetus with Down syndrome as the Danish do almost universally?
https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2020 ... iversally/
"What kind of society do you want to live in?": Inside the country where Down syndrome is disappearing
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/down-syndrome-iceland/
Re: Interesting News Out of Russia
Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2021 10:22 am
by nett
Ken, is this a good thing or not?
Re: Interesting News Out of Russia
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 8:23 am
by Josh
Valerie wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 11:01 pm
Hallelujah!
It brings back memories to me of a couple in our previous Church. She was pregnant with their third child and the doctor but the baby had spinal bifida and advised them to abort him. He was preparing them for a terrible situation at birth.
This couple would not consider abortion. Several months later a healthy beautiful baby boy was born with absolutely no problems. But if it had been the way that doctor was indicating it would possibly be they would have faced that situation with God's help.
Too often parents are encouraged to abort and I'm glad to see Russia take that position
The medical system seems focused on filling pregnant women with fear and giving them lots of what is, frankly, terrible medical advice. I could give examples if anyone wants "proof".
Re: Interesting News Out of Russia
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 2:59 pm
by Joy
The little girl in our church who was damaged by a routine infant vaccine died in her sleep this week. She never spoke, and was severely handicapped, but was much loved by her parents, siblings, grandparents, and church family. She was twelve.
Re: Interesting News Out of Russia
Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 2:24 pm
by Joy
Joy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 2:59 pm
The little girl in our church who was damaged by a routine infant vaccine died in her sleep this week. She never spoke, and was severely handicapped, but was much loved by her parents, siblings, grandparents, and church family. She was twelve.
Yesterday I attended her funeral. There were about 230 people there, some lined up along the back wall (our church building was too small.) Her mother was crying, but when we sang "Amazing Grace" I could hear her beautiful voice clear from the other side of the auditorium. Our last two pastors officiated, and the Gospel was given out.
Re: Interesting News Out of Russia
Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 3:06 pm
by Ken
nett wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 10:22 am
Ken, is this a good thing or not?
How would I know? The linked document is in Russian so it could be hockey scores or borscht recipes for all I know. I have no idea what kind of change of policy this represents or what abortion politics and laws are in Russia. I do think women should have the option of aborting non-viable fetuses or non-viable pregnancies, especially if they threaten the life of the mother. I see no point in carrying a pregnancy to term if there is no chance the fetus will survive and if that risks the life of the mother.
As for elective abortions? They are either going to be legal or illegal. I’m not sure that reason for having an elective abortion really makes any difference. Do you?
Re: Interesting News Out of Russia
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 2:57 pm
by MaxPC
Joy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 2:59 pm
The little girl in our church who was damaged by a routine infant vaccine died in her sleep this week. She never spoke, and was severely handicapped, but was much loved by her parents, siblings, grandparents, and church family. She was twelve.
We have had children in the family with handicaps, including Downs. We learn so much from them as well as in our caring for them. As Josh notes, too often expectant parents are advised in fears. All of life is valuable from the womb to the tomb.