Have you had a COVID-19 vaccination?

[Grace]

I think these comments say it all.

“It’s been proven that when you make it difficult for people in their lives, they lose their ideological bulls–t and they get vaccinated,” Fauci said in an October 2020 audiobook recording of his biography, “Fauci,” written by New Yorker journalist Michael Specter.

https://nypost.com/2024/06/03/us-news/t ... d-hearing/

That is 100% true is it not?

Vaccinations serve two overlapping functions. First, to keep individual people from getting sick. Second, to reduce the spread of disease within a community. On other words, it protects all of us when more people get vaccinated. Especially people who are immunocompromised for whom vaccines are not going to work. Which is about 3% of the US population or around 11 million of your fellow Americans.

Incentivizing people to get vaccinated is literally part of the job of the CDC.

Vaccinations did NOT prevent people from getting sick. I know of people who were vaxed to the max and still got covid several times. President Biden was an example of that. I know the president, his mouthpieces and people like MSNBC's Rachel Maddow and others in the mainstream media pushed the out and out lie that getting vaccinated will prevent people from getting sick. Another lie that was purported was that Vaccinated people won't infect others. Those claims were all lies. And it was proven many times over.

Then there was the whole aspect of practically criminalizing doctors who didn't follow the CDCs protocol to treat Covid, like threatening them
if they used Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine. We had a local doctor here in PA. who saw good results with using Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine for his Covid patients and the government threatened to take away his Medical license. There were some doctors who did have their licensed stripped because they used the protocols outside of what the government ordered. Even if the doctors had good results.

The problem was that Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine did not profit big pharma and people like Dr. Mengele Fauci.

And I am not interested in all your graphs and nonsense on how Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine didn't work, because there have been to many doctors who saw results with the two.

On a side note, I am not opposed to the Covid vaccine, but found it troubling that the government could ruin people's lives, children's educations, threaten people who may not have been vaxed, etc.

Here in PA, Governor Wolf mandated that sick Covid patients be moved to retirement/nursing homes. But before he mandated his deadly decree, he moved his elderly mother from such a facility, to the cushy Hershey Lodge and Resort. The fact he did that, spoke volumes and his mandate increased the death rate for the elderly in facilities, substantially.

Governor Wolf promoted the "Follow the science" mantra. Yet his Secretary of Health, Rachel Levine, was a male who attempted to change the science of gender by posing as a female.

[barnhart]

Grace, do you feel you are honoring government as Jesus has asked you to do? I think there are ways to object to policy without comparing officials to Nazi criminals or mocking them for their response to gender dysphoria. Does this represent the heart that God wants for you?

[Grace]

Grace, do you feel you are honoring government as Jesus has asked you to do? I think there are ways to object to policy without comparing officials to Nazi criminals or mocking them for their response to gender dysphoria. Does this represent the heart that God wants for you?

I probably should not have compared Dr. Fauci to Mengele. Because it was dogs, that Dr. Fauci's NIH practiced horrible, cruel experiments on. Fauci’s NIH division sent part of a $375,800 grant to a lab to drug beagles and lock their heads in mesh cages filled with hungry sand flies so that the insects could eat them alive. They also locked beagles alone in cages in the desert overnight for nine consecutive nights to use them as bait to attract infectious sand flies.

Proverbs 12:10 "The godly care for their animals, but the wicked are always cruel".
https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/arti ... als-jonah/

What was done to those dogs was cruel, but I suppose saying those who inflicted that cruelty, are wicked, would be criticized. Even if it comes from the scripture.

And I was not mocking Richard/Rachel Levine, just stating the fact about his/her stating, Americans should follow science, yet it seemed like he/her wasn't doing that at all. So don't put words ion my mouth. We need to remember that God is behind and created the whole scientific world.

Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them".

[Josh]

Folks, the smoking gun has been located:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... 20c215d6a3

A man made Clevege site on a spike protein. Who would have expected it.

Sorry, I know it is behind a paywall.

Here's a non-paywall link.

https://archive.is/kRPTP

Note that those of us who suspected it was made in a lab were called conspiracy theorists, promoting misinformation, and much worse, including here on MennoNet.

I am awaiting an apology from those who did so.

[Josh]

Of course it is coercion. Employers in this country have a right to determine health and safety rules in their places of employment. Most employment is at-will. Employers can coerce you to do all manner of things if you want to keep your job. Don't like it? Work someplace else.

What happened in 2020 and 2021 was not "employers" deciding anything; it was the federal government trying to force employers to force employees to get vaccines.

Ken, you frequently argue in bad faith like this, in my opinion. Why do you do this?

And to label it a dangerous, unproven, vaccine that gives young people heart attacks only shows that you aren't serious.

I'm completely serious, and so are many other people who continue to enjoy good health (including no heart attacks) because we didn't take this unproven, dangerous experimental drug therapy.

Ken, it is undeniable that the amount of young people, particularly young women with heart attacks in their 20s and early 30s, has gone up significantly. So far it is just a "mystery" when reported in the media or in health journals. To some of us, it is no mystery at all.

[Josh]

Grace, do you feel you are honoring government as Jesus has asked you to do? I think there are ways to object to policy without comparing officials to Nazi criminals or mocking them for their response to gender dysphoria. Does this represent the heart that God wants for you?

I don't see anywhere in scripture where it says we need to go along with government officials who play dress up and commit gross sexual perversions pretending they are a woman. It is entirely fine to criticise a man for wearing women's clothes. The Bible does not say otherwise.

To extend your "we must honour the government", do you feel you should honour the Nazi government?

[Soloist]

I don't see anywhere in scripture where it says we need to go along with government officials who play dress up and commit gross sexual perversions pretending they are a woman. It is entirely fine to criticise a man for wearing women's clothes. The Bible does not say otherwise.

To extend your "we must honour the government", do you feel you should honour the Nazi government?

Should we honor the Roman Empire?

[Soloist]

Folks, the smoking gun has been located:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... 20c215d6a3

A man made Clevege site on a spike protein. Who would have expected it.

Sorry, I know it is behind a paywall.

Here's a non-paywall link.

https://archive.is/kRPTP

Note that those of us who suspected it was made in a lab were called conspiracy theorists, promoting misinformation, and much worse, including here on MennoNet.

I am awaiting an apology from those who did so.

It’s the only logical explanation for the heavy reaction China had. They knew it was man made and didn’t know how to stop it.

[Josh]

I don't see anywhere in scripture where it says we need to go along with government officials who play dress up and commit gross sexual perversions pretending they are a woman. It is entirely fine to criticise a man for wearing women's clothes. The Bible does not say otherwise.

To extend your "we must honour the government", do you feel you should honour the Nazi government?

Should we honor the Roman Empire?

I simply find the idea that we have to unquestionable accept and not criticise every single government official based on some reading of Romans a bit suspect. I mean, how far down does this extend?

It is entirely reasonable to call a spade a spade, like Grace did. (And in particular, the people who tend to trot this out... well, I remember how they talked about Trump when was President for 4 years, so I sense, shall I say, a certain partisanship in their approach.)

[Soloist]

I simply find the idea that we have to unquestionable accept and not criticise every single government official based on some reading of Romans a bit suspect. I mean, how far down does this extend?

It is entirely reasonable to call a spade a spade, like Grace did. (And in particular, the people who tend to trot this out... well, I remember how they talked about Trump when was President for 4 years, so I sense, shall I say, a certain partisanship in their approach.)

It would be interesting to see how the early Christians wrote about their brethren being used as human torches.