Excessive violence in schools

[Ken]

So what are you interested in doing Josh. Endlessly wringing your hands and race-mongering about one specific and very unusual incident on a bus in Miami for which we only have third hand information that may or may not even be accurate?

Third-hand? We have video of the beatdown. Are you claiming the video is fake?

All the reporting about how the school district responded that you keep harping on is all 3rd hand or even 4th hand.

[Szdfan]

If you saw two older white males (14 or 15 years old) beating a younger black female (9 years old), would you consider the attack racially motivated or not?

I think someone's argument loses credibility when they start making up quotes. The school never told the parents to enroll their children in a "segregated" school.

Here's the original quote:

She told the outlet that school administrators are overwhelmed by spiraling violence inside and around the school — and their response was to advise her to enroll her three children elsewhere.

The heartbroken mom noted her two older kids have also been bullied during their brief time at the school — and counselors and administrators have done nothing to address her complaints.

The subtle message was telling them to go to a "different" school. One where, obviously they would "fit in". Sorry, Szdfan, but these kind of "coded" messages are interpreted as "racist" all the time.

So would it be fair for me to say that Josh thinks, "Black teenagers are scary and violent and white parents should remove their children and look for other school options where they are not threatened by black kids?" You didn't actually say that, but that's the coded language you're throwing around.

I am quite sceptical when I hear that well-paid, well-funded school adminsitrators (and Miami-Dade is well funded; they have a budget of $7 billion, which is enough to keep one family safe) say they can't do anything about "spiraling violence".

Do you know how many schools and students are in the Miama-Dade school district?

[Soloist]

My son had a rock thrown at him which hit his head and an egg on a separate day. The answer was to spank the offender.
That doesn’t work on a teenager.

[Josh]

All the reporting about how the school district responded that you keep harping on is all 3rd hand or even 4th hand.

The parents reported what they said, and we have no reason to believe either the TV news station nor the parents are lying. More importantly, the school district did not deny that they said that.

You seem to me to keep trying to pretend this didn't happen. It did happen, and the main issue at hand is how the school district handled it.

[Josh]

So would it be fair for me to say that Josh thinks, "Black teenagers are scary and violent and white parents should remove their children and look for other school options where they are not threatened by black kids?" You didn't actually say that, but that's the coded language you're throwing around.

Is that what I said?

The parents asked for help with persistent violence directed at their children. The school district told them, "Go somewhere else."

Like it or not, the violence was two older males (14 , 15 years old) committing violent assault on a much younger female (9) and a younger male (10). That is not at all the norm and is not normal schoolyard roughhousing. The violence was repeated punches to the head. That's not normal schoolyard bullying.

I think a school should provide an environment where pupils are not threatened by anyone regardless of race. However, the liberal narrative is that black people live in an oppressive environment subject to violence perpetrated on them by people of white race. I think that narrative is toxic and harmful. I also happen to think the actual reality is that often the reverse happens to, yet any attempts to discuss that result in accusations like I've weathered in this thread: that I am a segregationist, a racist, and so on.

Actually, I am none of those things. If you want a desegregated, non-racist society, then it has to start with not having older students of one race engaging in violence against younger students of another race. Regardless of the race of the offenders. It is clear that dealing with that kind of violence has not been a priority for the school district.

I am quite sceptical when I hear that well-paid, well-funded school adminsitrators (and Miami-Dade is well funded; they have a budget of $7 billion, which is enough to keep one family safe) say they can't do anything about "spiraling violence".

Do you know how many schools and students are in the Miama-Dade school district?

$7 billion is well funded. They have 350,000 students, which is $20,000 per student per year.

$20,000 per student per year is well funded - it's certainly enough for parents to expect that younger children won't get beaten up by older males.

[temporal1]

a related report:

“Father demands justice for daughter who took her life after video of school bullying surfaced”
https://abc7.com/school-bullying-teen-s ... /12792688/

.. The freshman was hit in the face with a full 20-ounce water bottle three times. On the video, she was punched and kicked and her hair was pulled, while classmates laughed and recorded the attack at school.

Her father says it was meaningless bullying. He says his daughter deserved none of this and was tormented after the videos were posted, as she read mean comments.

"Adriana was the most happy, beautiful young lady in the world, she loved animals," Kuch said.

According to her father, four girls have been charged with third-degree felony assault after her death.

Eyewitness News has not gotten confirmation from the Ocean County Prosecutor's Office. The school superintendent said in a statement, "this was a tragedy."

“Signs of Psychopathy in Kids”
https://www.verywellfamily.com/is-my-ch ... th-4175470

Children who are callous and unemotional are often diagnosed with oppositional defiant disorder at a young age.
Then, during their teen years, they may be diagnosed with conduct disorder, which involves a persistent pattern of violating the rights of others and disregarding basic social rules.3

[Ken]

Here's a state that seems interested in tacking the issue of youth violence

Missouri votes to allow unrestricted open carry of firearms by children: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... -in-public

The proposal to ban children from carrying guns without adult supervision in public failed by a 104-39 vote. Only one Republican voted in support.

A Democrat, Donna Baringer, said police in her district asked for the change to stop “14-year-olds walking down the middle of the street in the city of St Louis carrying AR-15s”.

“Now they have been emboldened, and they are walking around with them,” Baringer said. “Until they actually brandish them, and brandish them with intent, our police officers’ hands are handcuffed.”

In 2017, Missouri lawmakers repealed concealed carry requirements in most situations.

The measure was part of an hours-long debate on the best way to fight crime, particularly in the St Louis area.

The Republican Lane Roberts – a former Joplin, Missouri, police chief and state public safety director – initially included the restrictions on children possessing guns in a broader crime bill, which the House voted to give initial approval. But lawmakers on a House committee that Roberts leads stripped the provision on guns last week.

“Every time we talked about the provision related to guns, we knew that that was going to be difficult on our side of the aisle,” Roberts said.

Republicans decried the effort as an unneeded infringement on gun rights.

“While it may be intuitive that a 14-year-old has no legitimate purpose, it doesn’t actually mean that they’re going to harm someone. We don’t know that yet,” said Tony Lovasco, a Republican from the St Louis suburb of O’Fallon.

OK then.

It looks like Missouri is not satisfied having only the 4th highest rate of firearms deaths in the country. It is bound and determined to pass Mississippi, Louisiana, and Wyoming to claim the number 1 spot.

[Josh]

It's interesting how liberals think the problem is people possessing weapons (like fists or guns) but don't seem interested at all at doing anything once someone misuses their fists or a gun.

Nobody forces anyone to punch someone in the head. Nobody is forced to shoot somebody else. That's a decision made by a depraved, wicked mind, and should be punished appropriately.

Being poor or having a disadvantaged background doesn't make you go and punch little girls in the head. It doesn't make you raise a gun and shoot an innocent person. Many, many poor people from very disadvantaged backgrounds never do those things.

[Soloist]

It's interesting how liberals think the problem is people possessing weapons (like fists or guns) but don't seem interested at all at doing anything once someone misuses their fists or a gun.

Nobody forces anyone to punch someone in the head. Nobody is forced to shoot somebody else. That's a decision made by a depraved, wicked mind, and should be punished appropriately.

Being poor or having a disadvantaged background doesn't make you go and punch little girls in the head. It doesn't make you raise a gun and shoot an innocent person. Many, many poor people from very disadvantaged backgrounds never do those things.

Pro 22:15  Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.

Children can be vicious…

[Ken]

It's interesting how liberals think the problem is people possessing weapons (like fists or guns) but don't seem interested at all at doing anything once someone misuses their fists or a gun.

Nobody forces anyone to punch someone in the head. Nobody is forced to shoot somebody else. That's a decision made by a depraved, wicked mind, and should be punished appropriately.

Being poor or having a disadvantaged background doesn't make you go and punch little girls in the head. It doesn't make you raise a gun and shoot an innocent person. Many, many poor people from very disadvantaged backgrounds never do those things.

Where do you come up with such nonsense? Can you point to a single comment where I or anyone else here or anywhere has advocated that we should NOT maintain discipline within schools or anywhere else? No, I promise you cannot.

In the bus incident that started this thread would the situation have been made better or worse if those 14 year olds had been carrying guns in addition to fists? Let me guess, in your world the only way to deal with "bad" 14 year olds carrying guns if for "good" 14 year olds to carry them too?

Because goodness sake, we can't take away the "precious"