Mennonite Measles in Texas

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Re: Mennonite Measles in Texas

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Szdfan wrote: ↑Wed Apr 16, 2025 3:42 pm It looks like Mennonite Measles in Texas have traveled to Pennsylvania.

https://lancasteronline.com/news/local/ ... PlXzxwXlUQ
In a statement, the Department of Health said that an unvaccinated individual visiting Lancaster County following a trip to Texas was treated at WellSpan Ephrata on Tuesday, April 8, 2025, between 9:30 and 11:30 p.m. The Department of Health said there is the potential that others may have been exposed during that time.
I posted that info a few pages back.
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All I see in the news right now is that measles cases are "underreported" and whining about "Trump funding cuts". In other words, it's a non-issue.
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JohnH wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 9:56 am All I see in the news right now is that measles cases are "underreported" and whining about "Trump funding cuts". In other words, it's a non-issue.
I’m afraid I don’t understand your point. Saying that cases are “underreported” and then calling it a “non-issue” is contradictory. If something is underreported, that usually suggests it’s more serious than people realize, not less.
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Re: Mennonite Measles in Texas

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R7ehr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 16, 2025 3:57 pm
Soloist wrote: ↑Wed Apr 16, 2025 3:44 pm
Szdfan wrote: ↑Wed Apr 16, 2025 3:42 pm It looks like Mennonite Measles in Texas have traveled to Pennsylvania.

https://lancasteronline.com/news/local/ ... PlXzxwXlUQ

Yeah… I’m expecting we will eventually tie other states the same way.
We might have to change to “Mennonite Measles in all 50 States”, instead of having 50 different threads. :lol:
We appear to be headed there fast.
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Re: Mennonite Measles in Texas

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Szdfan wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 10:30 am
JohnH wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 9:56 am All I see in the news right now is that measles cases are "underreported" and whining about "Trump funding cuts". In other words, it's a non-issue.
I’m afraid I don’t understand your point. Saying that cases are “underreported” and then calling it a “non-issue” is contradictory. If something is underreported, that usually suggests it’s more serious than people realize, not less.
Under reporting is bad, because it will suggest you have less of a problem than you do, and will not make adequate preparations. If you have a really major measles outbreak, you need to be standing up your pediatric ICU for a large influx of cases, you can't do that overnight.
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Re: Mennonite Measles in Texas

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Szdfan wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 10:30 am
JohnH wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 9:56 am All I see in the news right now is that measles cases are "underreported" and whining about "Trump funding cuts". In other words, it's a non-issue.
I’m afraid I don’t understand your point. Saying that cases are “underreported” and then calling it a “non-issue” is contradictory. If something is underreported, that usually suggests it’s more serious than people realize, not less.
Public health officials are whining that measles is "underreported". In other words, they wish the actual (real) numbers were higher, but they aren't.

Then they also whine about "funding cuts" (which are to federal agencies and don't really have any impact on actual public health work on the ground for a disease that's been well understood my entire lifetime).

We have no actual evidence it's underreported. Just public health officials who wish they could puff their chests and feel important like they did during COVID (when they could shut down churches, kick people out of their jobs, destroy businesses, and order schools closed). The difference this time is that a large part of the populace no longer respects or cares about public health officials.
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Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 10:43 am Under reporting is bad, because it will suggest you have less of a problem than you do, and will not make adequate preparations. If you have a really major measles outbreak, you need to be standing up your pediatric ICU for a large influx of cases, you can't do that overnight.
Zero actual evidence it's underreported.

Is there any evidence of pediatric ICUs being flooded?
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JohnH wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 11:19 am Public health officials are whining that measles is "underreported". In other words, they wish the actual (real) numbers were higher, but they aren't.

Then they also whine about "funding cuts" (which are to federal agencies and don't really have any impact on actual public health work on the ground for a disease that's been well understood my entire lifetime).

We have no actual evidence it's underreported. Just public health officials who wish they could puff their chests and feel important like they did during COVID (when they could shut down churches, kick people out of their jobs, destroy businesses, and order schools closed). The difference this time is that a large part of the populace no longer respects or cares about public health officials.
There is actual evidence that it’s been under reported.
As far as it goes, when people don’t want to get tested, and it’s a relatively simple disease as you repeatedly have stated without any way to control the spread of… why would most people believing like you report it? Ergo underreporting.
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Re: Mennonite Measles in Texas

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JohnH wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 11:19 am
Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 10:43 am Under reporting is bad, because it will suggest you have less of a problem than you do, and will not make adequate preparations. If you have a really major measles outbreak, you need to be standing up your pediatric ICU for a large influx of cases, you can't do that overnight.
Zero actual evidence it's underreported.

Is there any evidence of pediatric ICUs being flooded?
Yes, there is, in fact, evidence that it is underreported. Because most cases getting reported are the severely ill children and patients who show up at the hospital and ER. Which in a normal outbreak would be just a fraction of the cases. Unless you want to argue that conservative Mennonites somehow get much worse cases of measles on average than other people and are uniquely susceptible to bad cases of measles.

If all the cases of measles were being reported then most of them would be mild symptoms.
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Yeah, the cases being reported suggest measles is a lot worse than it is if we disregard underreporting.

You can’t have it both ways. Either it’s been underreported or it’s more severe than you’re saying.
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