Coronavirus Outbreak

[Somebody]

Are they showing higher rate of infection in unvaccinated because those are tested for the virus, and the vaccinated are not tested?

[Dan Z]

Are they showing higher rate of infection in unvaccinated because those are tested for the virus, and the vaccinated are not tested?

I'm assuming this is a comparison of PCR test-confirmed cases regardless of vaccination status. The stats worldwide have been very consistent in showing starkly lower COVID infection rates for the vaccinated, and even lower hospitalization and death rates for the vaccinated compared to the unvaccinated.

[RZehr]

Are they showing higher rate of infection in unvaccinated because those are tested for the virus, and the vaccinated are not tested?

I don’t know about them there, but here, if you go to the hospital, you will be tested whether you are vaccinated or not. We are vaccinated. Went in for something else, and tested positive. Big old pain dealing with that then. Reschedule, extra restrictions, sent to a different hospital and hour away.

[Soloist]

I think anyone who still holds that vaccinated immunity is better then natural immunity is a fruit cake. I'm of course not talking about the risk of acquiring natural immunity, which assuming the vaccine helps, is still a higher risk.

I stand by my words and am ready to tell anyone that they are a fruit cake. Please take a number

[RZehr]

I think anyone who still holds that vaccinated immunity is better then natural immunity is a fruit cake. I'm of course not talking about the risk of acquiring natural immunity, which assuming the vaccine helps, is still a higher risk.

I stand by my words and am ready to tell anyone that they are a fruit cake. Please take a number

I’ll take one just for fun.

[silentreader]

Are they showing higher rate of infection in unvaccinated because those are tested for the virus, and the vaccinated are not tested?

I'm assuming this is a comparison of PCR test-confirmed cases regardless of vaccination status. The stats worldwide have been very consistent in showing starkly lower COVID infection rates for the vaccinated, and even lower hospitalization and death rates for the vaccinated compared to the unvaccinated.

In Ontario the actual rates were considerably higher for vaccinated people getting infected than unvaccinated between Dec. 24th/2020 and Jan. 27th/2121. This was probably largely a consequence of the province opening some venues to vaccinated people only. When they realized this was a mistake and closed them again, the rates for vaccinated people began dropping. They are now lower than the unvaccinated but there is not a big difference. It is difficult to say what the change in testing policy has actually done. Pre-Omicron, what you said about infection rates would have held true.
Vaccines are a benefit in relation to hospitalizations and have also been in relation to deaths.
But there has been a concerning trend in the last month with the increasing death rate among older fully vaccinated people.

[Josh]

Natural immunity doesn’t seem to result in all these positive tests that vaccinated people keep having

[Soloist]

I think anyone who still holds that vaccinated immunity is better then natural immunity is a fruit cake. I'm of course not talking about the risk of acquiring natural immunity, which assuming the vaccine helps, is still a higher risk.

I stand by my words and am ready to tell anyone that they are a fruit cake. Please take a number

I’ll take one just for fun.

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[Ken]

Natural immunity doesn’t seem to result in all these positive tests that vaccinated people keep having

Actually it does. The latest research suggests that immunity from prior infection provides about the equivalent of one shot of vaccine. Researchers in the UK found prior infection to only be about 19% effective against Omicron. In other words, you would have to catch Covid 3 times to gain equal immunity to being fully vaccinated and boosted. But hey, I guess you would be well protected against catching Covid for a 4th time: https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/232698/ ... from-past/

The new report (Report 49) from the Imperial College London COVID-19 response team estimates that the risk of reinfection with the Omicron variant is 5.4 times greater than that of the Delta variant. This implies that the protection against reinfection by Omicron afforded by past infection may be as low as 19%.

[silentreader]

Natural immunity doesn’t seem to result in all these positive tests that vaccinated people keep having

Actually it does. The latest research suggests that immunity from prior infection provides about the equivalent of one shot of vaccine. Researchers in the UK found prior infection to only be about 19% effective against Omicron. In other words, you would have to catch Covid 3 times to gain equal immunity to being fully vaccinated and boosted. But hey, I guess you would be well protected against catching Covid for a 4th time: https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/232698/ ... from-past/

The new report (Report 49) from the Imperial College London COVID-19 response team estimates that the risk of reinfection with the Omicron variant is 5.4 times greater than that of the Delta variant. This implies that the protection against reinfection by Omicron afforded by past infection may be as low as 19%.

And this, of course, is fake news.

https://www.israel365news.com/266153/is ... t-vaccine/