Coronavirus Outbreak

[temporal1]

What if the extremists appear to be correct? There are connections globally and there are people behind this that are into reducing the population. There are people that have dug deep into finding these things out

I can easily see big pharma making lots of money on this, but why would they do exterminations?

They make less money then.

Unless there is good evidence, we need to be careful making unfounded accusations.

They may sell less product, but, there are ways to ensure protection of profits, and protection of taxes collected.
Volume tends to lower prices, depending on supply. prices increase, taxes increase. the public gets less, not the profiteers or tax collectors.

imho, the central reason for gov mandates is: it’s the current most-valued business model;
translation: gov-guaranteed profits. essentially, no risk.

why bother to offer “the best product at the best price,” when gov mandates guarantee your market AND profits, at any price??

appleman recently posted about vaccines, that, without mandates, “everyone” was freely choosing vaccines, anyway.
i believe it.

but, from a corporate pov, how much sweeter to remove the risk of the pesky free market, when gov can be used to guarantee??

honestly, i started putting this together in the 70’s when gov got involved with guaranteed student loans, etc.
guaranteed profits for banks! what bank wouldn’t love that?

who cares about personal responsibility? questionable need for degrees? future staggering debt for students??
banks profit, can’t lose! so, who cares about widespread collateral damage??

[Valerie]

What if the extremists appear to be correct? There are connections globally and there are people behind this that are into reducing the population. There are people that have dug deep into finding these things out

I can easily see big pharma making lots of money on this, but why would they do exterminations? They make less money then. Unless there is good evidence, we need to be careful making unfounded accusations.

I'm afraid if I shared what has been sent to me reading up on people and not just in America, I would be viewed as a conspiracy theorist because that is the label given to dismiss a lot of it information that when one digs deep enough will start connecting the dots to understand the bigger picture. I will say I'm not the one that has been digging but a lot of that has been shared with me.

[Soloist]

I'm afraid if I shared what has been sent to me reading up on people and not just in America, I would be viewed as a conspiracy theorist because that is the label given to dismiss a lot of it information that when one digs deep enough will start connecting the dots to understand the bigger picture. I will say I'm not the one that has been digging but a lot of that has been shared with me.

The problem with conspiracies, is you generally don't remember or hear about all of the ones that never came true. Also when connecting dots, just because it seems to be a logical inference does not make it true. Yes Bill Gates is in favor of reducing population, yes the vaccines received money from Bill Gates, yes the vaccines cause changes to fertility... This does not make the connection of Bill Gates is using the vaccines to depopulate the world to be a true statement.
One would have a much better argument if they presented data like what came out of Africa in terms of the Tetanus vaccine laced with birth control. Now just because Bill Gates funded that program too doesn't make it true that Bill Gates was intentionally causing reduction in birth rates. Perhaps it was a quality control issue, perhaps someone else nefariously did it... That would cast far more shade on the possibility then what happened with the Covid vaccines. One could also point out most of the attention for reducing population is targeted at poor or third world countries, why would relatively rich people with financial stakes in having buyers seek to reduce American population further especially when our birth rates (as white people) have been steadily falling?
All this to say, be careful what you believe in a time of opinions with bread crumb trails.

[ohio jones]

Interestingly "evil" in my opinion. Why? If the physician that we went to listen to last spring new enough to share this concern before everyone got the vaccine, why was her and other concerns dismissed? She used a lot of scientific explanations accompanied by her charts and of course it was over my head for the most part but she knew her stuff. And sure enough.......

Many reports are coming in of miscarriages or of unexpected infertility in young people. This vaccine is not a vaccine; it's an extermination.

Take a look at which groups are more likely and less likely to be vaccinated. If the assertion is true, "they" seem to be exterminating their own.

[Ken]

You really don't understand the concept of empirical data do you?

I understand that you are just making assertions and aren't providing any

I didn't assert anything. I presented a graph that shows that countries with less vaccinations are experiencing less COVID deaths than countries with more vaccinations. That's empirical.

You presented a single graph of recent death rates. You presented no information about:

1. vaccination rates for those same countries. You asserted that Israel has a very high vaccination rate relative to comparable countries but that is empirically not true as I showed with two different data sources.

2. who is dying, the vaccinated or unvaccinated and at what relative rates in those countries.

3. The age structure of those countries and even if they are in any way comparable.

[Ken]

Given the study that Israel just complete. I don't see why anyone would get vaccinated. If you're not sick yet, but you're worried about getting COVID. start taking Vitamin D. They basically proved it's the most important indicator of COVID severity.

This is the most recent information out of Israel from the Israeli Health Ministry. From two days ago. It is pretty much the same as everywhere else. Vaccines save lives. The graph is January 2022 so completely current information on the Omicron wave: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.pr ... 1.10586137

Unvaccinated vs. Boostered: What the COVID Death Toll From Israel Reveals: Some 680 Israelis died from COVID last month, with unvaccinated and partially vaccinated people over 60 making up a highly disproportionate number of cases, despite being only 12% of the overall age cohort

Israelis over 60 who are either unvaccinated or only partially vaccinated against COVID-19 died in significantly higher numbers last month compared to people in their age cohort who are fully vaccinated, according to official figures published by the Israeli Health Ministry.

The numbers show that while only approximately 12 percent of Israelis over 60 are either unvaccinated or partially vaccinated, together they account for 43 percent of COVID deaths in their age group in the previous month.

These numbers highlight once again the stark contrast between the vaccinated and unvaccinated as Israel grapples with the fifth wave of a pandemic that has killed more than 9,000 people since March 2020.

Throughout the previous waves as well, vaccination status emerged as a key factor in determining one’s chances of suffering a severe infection or dying as a result of the virus.

[Josh]

Interestingly "evil" in my opinion. Why? If the physician that we went to listen to last spring new enough to share this concern before everyone got the vaccine, why was her and other concerns dismissed? She used a lot of scientific explanations accompanied by her charts and of course it was over my head for the most part but she knew her stuff. And sure enough.......

Many reports are coming in of miscarriages or of unexpected infertility in young people. This vaccine is not a vaccine; it's an extermination.

Take a look at which groups are more likely and less likely to be vaccinated. If the assertion is true, "they" seem to be exterminating their own.

Unlike some of my more conspiratorially minded friends, I don't think this extermination is intentional; quite the opposite. They really do think it's the best thing for their health.

Even when they are tripled-vaxxed, boosted, and then get sick with COVID, and spread it to others, whilst the unvaccinated sit around not getting infected at all. They truly believe they're doing the right thing.

Good recent analogues would be: Lipitor / statins (it does lower cholesterol but is not linked to lower death rates); heart stents (again, not linked to less death); low-sodium diets to promote heart health (based on one study that nobody has been able to replicate); promoting high-carb, high-sugar, low-fat diets; promoting cigarette smoking to calm "nerves" (pre-1950s, tobacco smoking was promoted by doctors).

I don't think the tobacco industry ever had a conspiracy to try to kill their customers. They did, however, want people to keep buying lots of cigarettes. The modern "vaccines" are no different. In both cases, they make health claims without any kind of serious, double-blind, controlled experiments over a reasonable span of time, and cherry-pick data and results to support that their products are "healthful".

A reasonable thing to do is to simply "opt out". I'm content to use the vaccines that have been tested and proven over a longer span of time (say, 10 or 20 years, let's not get too crazy here). And the same for other medicines. Not to mention that I don't want to use things developed using foetal stem cells, which is how I got into this worldview in the first place.

[Josh]

I understand that you are just making assertions and aren't providing any

I didn't assert anything. I presented a graph that shows that countries with less vaccinations are experiencing less COVID deaths than countries with more vaccinations. That's empirical.

You presented a single graph of recent death rates. You presented no information about:

1. vaccination rates for those same countries. You asserted that Israel has a very high vaccination rate relative to comparable countries but that is empirically not true as I showed with two different data sources.

2. who is dying, the vaccinated or unvaccinated and at what relative rates in those countries.

3. The age structure of those countries and even if they are in any way comparable.

It's become obvious that you ignore any data that doesn't support your conclusion that "vaccines = good". Thus, it's pointless to try to provide data or evidence to you contrary to that assumption. You'll find a way to impeach the data and throw it out.

This is a sign of having a religious belief. If you have a religious belief that it is holy and righteous to take mRNA-based covid vaccines, you may hold that belief. However, I have no wish or desire to sign up for your religion. And I don't think I should have to join your religion in order to have a job.

[nett]

Given the study that Israel just complete. I don't see why anyone would get vaccinated. If you're not sick yet, but you're worried about getting COVID. start taking Vitamin D. They basically proved it's the most important indicator of COVID severity.

This is the most recent information out of Israel from the Israeli Health Ministry. From two days ago. It is pretty much the same as everywhere else. Vaccines save lives. The graph is January 2022 so completely current information on the Omicron wave: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.pr ... 1.10586137

Unvaccinated vs. Boostered: What the COVID Death Toll From Israel Reveals: Some 680 Israelis died from COVID last month, with unvaccinated and partially vaccinated people over 60 making up a highly disproportionate number of cases, despite being only 12% of the overall age cohort

Israelis over 60 who are either unvaccinated or only partially vaccinated against COVID-19 died in significantly higher numbers last month compared to people in their age cohort who are fully vaccinated, according to official figures published by the Israeli Health Ministry.

The numbers show that while only approximately 12 percent of Israelis over 60 are either unvaccinated or partially vaccinated, together they account for 43 percent of COVID deaths in their age group in the previous month.

These numbers highlight once again the stark contrast between the vaccinated and unvaccinated as Israel grapples with the fifth wave of a pandemic that has killed more than 9,000 people since March 2020.

Throughout the previous waves as well, vaccination status emerged as a key factor in determining one’s chances of suffering a severe infection or dying as a result of the virus.

That's only people over 60, cherry pick much?

[Ken]

It's become obvious that you ignore any data that doesn't support your conclusion that "vaccines = good". Thus, it's pointless to try to provide data or evidence to you contrary to that assumption. You'll find a way to impeach the data and throw it out.

This is a sign of having a religious belief. If you have a religious belief that it is holy and righteous to take mRNA-based covid vaccines, you may hold that belief. However, I have no wish or desire to sign up for your religion. And I don't think I should have to join your religion in order to have a job.

I haven't seen a single piece of of legitimate evidence or data presented by you or Nett or any of the other anti-vaxers here that shows Covid death rates or hospitalization rates are higher for vaccinated than unvaccinated. Especially when controlled for age. Not for the US, not for any individual state, and not for any country that keeps such statistics.

By contrast, one can find the exact opposite for any state, country, or jurisdiction that keeps track of such things. There is just a phenomenal amount of information available from across the planet that all points to the conclusion that vaccinations reduce Covid death rates and hospitalization rates across every age group or subpopulation.