Is this fact or conjecture?
Nord Stream
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Re: Nord Stream
+ presumptions = “i don’t know”.. apparently ..
[even when generously seasoned with superlatives and definitives.]
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Re: Nord Stream
Fears over Russian threat to Norway’s energy infrastructure
STAVANGER, Norway (AP) — Norwegian oil and gas workers normally don’t see anything more threatening than North Sea waves crashing against the steel legs of their offshore platforms. But lately they have noticed a more troubling sight: unidentified drones buzzing in the skies overhead.
With Norway replacing Russia as Europe’s main source of natural gas, military experts suspect the unmanned aircraft are Moscow’s doings. They list espionage, sabotage and intimidation as possible motives for the drone flights.
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Mt 24:35
Proverbs 18:2 A fool does not delight in understanding but only in revealing his own mind.
1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is folly with God
Mt 24:35
Proverbs 18:2 A fool does not delight in understanding but only in revealing his own mind.
1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is folly with God
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Re: Nord Stream
Nordstream questions continue.
“Nord Stream Attack: Senator Raises Alarms About Alleged U.S. Involvement”
https://www.newsweek.com/nord-stream-at ... nt-1780192
“Nord Stream Attack: Senator Raises Alarms About Alleged U.S. Involvement”
https://www.newsweek.com/nord-stream-at ... nt-1780192
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Re: Nord Stream
Who knows what is going on with Nordstream.
But the entire story is from Seymore Hersh who is basing all of it on one anonymous source. He was a cutting edge investigative reporter long ago when he reported on the Pentagon Papers and other American wrongdoing in Vietnam like Mai Lai. But more recently he seems to have gone off the rails.
In 2015 he put out a completely discredited story about how Pakistan had Bin Laden in captivity for years and served him up to the US and the whole supposed Navy Seal raid was just a cover story for secret US and Pakistani cooperation: https://www.vox.com/2015/5/11/8584473/s ... -bin-laden
And he also published another discredited story during the Trump Administration stating that there was no evidence that Syria was using gas and chemical weapons against Syrian rebels and that the Pentagon and Syria were allied together to discredit the Obama Administration: https://www.vox.com/2015/12/21/10634002 ... int-chiefs
All of these various "explosive" stories were all based on single anonymous sources.
We have no way of knowing if any of this Nordstream story is true, but Seymore Hersh doesn't have a great track record recently.
But the entire story is from Seymore Hersh who is basing all of it on one anonymous source. He was a cutting edge investigative reporter long ago when he reported on the Pentagon Papers and other American wrongdoing in Vietnam like Mai Lai. But more recently he seems to have gone off the rails.
In 2015 he put out a completely discredited story about how Pakistan had Bin Laden in captivity for years and served him up to the US and the whole supposed Navy Seal raid was just a cover story for secret US and Pakistani cooperation: https://www.vox.com/2015/5/11/8584473/s ... -bin-laden
And he also published another discredited story during the Trump Administration stating that there was no evidence that Syria was using gas and chemical weapons against Syrian rebels and that the Pentagon and Syria were allied together to discredit the Obama Administration: https://www.vox.com/2015/12/21/10634002 ... int-chiefs
All of these various "explosive" stories were all based on single anonymous sources.
We have no way of knowing if any of this Nordstream story is true, but Seymore Hersh doesn't have a great track record recently.
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A fool can throw out more questions than a wise man can answer. -RZehr
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Re: Nord Stream
i have not chosen a poll option. i.don’t.know.
i agree with Mike Lee’s words above, “i’m troubled that i can’t immediately rule out” ..
that’s a sad state of affairs. sickening, really.
”Bloomberg TV host pushes back against Columbia professor who says the US was 'probably' behind the sabotage of the Nord Stream pipeline - and that the media is REFUSING to cover it”
Jeffrey Sachs, director of the Center for Sustainable Development at Columbia University, appeared on Bloomberg TV on Monday
Sachs said he 'would bet' that the US was behind last week's attack on the Nord Stream pipeline
He 'speculated' that the sabotage was not carried out by Russia, but by the US, aiming to tarnish Russia and prolong the conflict with Ukraine
The White House has insisted they were not behind the attack: Russia has blamed the West
Critics of the Biden administration have seized on his February statement that he wanted the Nord Stream 2 pipeline to be discontinued
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... otage.html
When our children were young, we implored them to be honest (esp with us). We told them they may be falsely accused at times, we wanted to never be in position to doubt them, no matter accusations.
Doubt is heartbreaking. That’s not where anyone wants to be. There is reason to doubt.
Hersh or no Hersh, it doesn’t require a genius to imagine U.S. involvement, esp with biden’s loose and threatening words.
He fancies himself a tough guy. A strong wind would blow him away.
In every investigation into wrong-doing, the first question is: MOTIVE. biden freely provided it before it happened.
Even without his words, motive is obvious. He just blithely gifted accusers. Not unusual for him.
Larry Elder / Nord Stream
https://www.theepochtimes.com/white-hou ... 43261.html
^^(This link is not opening, it may open later.) i think it requires a free digital account, i’m not sure.
i agree with Mike Lee’s words above, “i’m troubled that i can’t immediately rule out” ..
that’s a sad state of affairs. sickening, really.
”Bloomberg TV host pushes back against Columbia professor who says the US was 'probably' behind the sabotage of the Nord Stream pipeline - and that the media is REFUSING to cover it”
Jeffrey Sachs, director of the Center for Sustainable Development at Columbia University, appeared on Bloomberg TV on Monday
Sachs said he 'would bet' that the US was behind last week's attack on the Nord Stream pipeline
He 'speculated' that the sabotage was not carried out by Russia, but by the US, aiming to tarnish Russia and prolong the conflict with Ukraine
The White House has insisted they were not behind the attack: Russia has blamed the West
Critics of the Biden administration have seized on his February statement that he wanted the Nord Stream 2 pipeline to be discontinued
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... otage.html
When our children were young, we implored them to be honest (esp with us). We told them they may be falsely accused at times, we wanted to never be in position to doubt them, no matter accusations.
Doubt is heartbreaking. That’s not where anyone wants to be. There is reason to doubt.
Hersh or no Hersh, it doesn’t require a genius to imagine U.S. involvement, esp with biden’s loose and threatening words.
He fancies himself a tough guy. A strong wind would blow him away.
In every investigation into wrong-doing, the first question is: MOTIVE. biden freely provided it before it happened.
Even without his words, motive is obvious. He just blithely gifted accusers. Not unusual for him.
Larry Elder / Nord Stream
https://www.theepochtimes.com/white-hou ... 43261.html
^^(This link is not opening, it may open later.) i think it requires a free digital account, i’m not sure.
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Most or all of this drama, humiliation, wasted taxpayer money could be spared -
with even modest attempt at presenting balanced facts from the start.
”We’re all just walking each other home.”
UNKNOWN
with even modest attempt at presenting balanced facts from the start.
”We’re all just walking each other home.”
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Re: Nord Stream
Naturally anyone reporting a story that contradicts Satan's narrative is considered "to have gone off the rails" by the satanic establishment. But actually none of Seymour Hersh's stories have been proven false. See Wikipedia which generally sides with the satanic mainstream:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seymour_H ... ed_stories
His story on Nord Stream is here:
https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how ... ord-stream
I haven't read it yet, but I plan to read it this weekend.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seymour_H ... ed_stories
His story on Nord Stream is here:
https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how ... ord-stream
I haven't read it yet, but I plan to read it this weekend.
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That’s well written.Franklin wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 3:19 pm
His story on Nord Stream is here:
https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how ... ord-stream
I haven't read it yet, but I plan to read it this weekend.
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But it's based on a single anonymous source - "according to a source with direct knowledge". Well, maybe, but it seems unlikely. Other sources have pointed the finger in other directions. Three investigations so far have been unable to determine who took it out.RZehr wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 3:58 pmThat’s well written.Franklin wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 3:19 pm
His story on Nord Stream is here:
https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how ... ord-stream
I haven't read it yet, but I plan to read it this weekend.
Here's the best discussion I know of so far:
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Re: Nord Stream
Who has the motivation for which lie?
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