Marxist BLM tries to force innocent diners to bow to them. For Marxists, it's always about control.

[ohio jones]

Whilst in the USA, I don't know why or when but somehow the Right became cosy with Christianity and the Left became the opposite.

Things were obviously different 50 years ago.

The decline of the moral minority (left) and the rise of the Moral Majority (right) took place around 40 years ago.

[Szdfan]

The most obvious expression of this is what happened in Ukraine in the 1910s and 1940s; once the left gained power, they slaughtered Mennonites en-masse and violently suppressed expression of their faith.

And when the Wehrmacht invaded the Ukraine in 1941, Ukrainian Mennonites whole-heartedly supported Hitler and Nazism, even directly participating in the Holocaust.

[Josh]

The most obvious expression of this is what happened in Ukraine in the 1910s and 1940s; once the left gained power, they slaughtered Mennonites en-masse and violently suppressed expression of their faith.

And when the Wehrmacht invaded the Ukraine in 1941, Ukrainian Mennonites whole-heartedly supported Hitler and Nazism, even directly participating in the Holocaust.

Does this somehow make mass murder by the Soviets better?

[Szdfan]

The most obvious expression of this is what happened in Ukraine in the 1910s and 1940s; once the left gained power, they slaughtered Mennonites en-masse and violently suppressed expression of their faith.

And when the Wehrmacht invaded the Ukraine in 1941, Ukrainian Mennonites whole-heartedly supported Hitler and Nazism, even directly participating in the Holocaust.

Does this somehow make mass murder by the Soviets better?

No, it doesn’t. But it complicates the false dichotomy you’re trying to create.

[Josh]

And when the Wehrmacht invaded the Ukraine in 1941, Ukrainian Mennonites whole-heartedly supported Hitler and Nazism, even directly participating in the Holocaust.

Does this somehow make mass murder by the Soviets better?

No, it doesn’t. But it complicates the false dichotomy you’re trying to create.

In Szdfan’s world, “Communists good; anyone against Communists is bad”.

[Bootstrap]

In Szdfan’s world, “Communists good; anyone against Communists is bad”.

In Josh's world "Fascists good, everyone against Fascists is bad". Actually, that's not true, but what you said about Jeremy is not true either. And quite generally, these personal attacks of yours are often like that.

Really, this is not OK.

[Bootstrap]

The most obvious expression of this is what happened in Ukraine in the 1910s and 1940s; once the left gained power, they slaughtered Mennonites en-masse and violently suppressed expression of their faith.

And when the Wehrmacht invaded the Ukraine in 1941, Ukrainian Mennonites whole-heartedly supported Hitler and Nazism, even directly participating in the Holocaust.

And that's the danger of believing every accusation made by the right. There are some scary extremist things on the right, including white supremacists, racists, violent militias, etc. There are power grabs going on right now in our government when the President sends troops where the local government is asking him to stay away, where some of his officials are urging their supporters to arm themselves and be prepared if Trump does not win the election. And no, I am not saying most conservatives are extremists, but I am saying that extremism on the right has grown in ways that I find frightening. And justified by exaggerated claims of the dangers of a Communist revolution in the United States.

McCarthyism is generally considered a bad thing. For a reason.

A Communist revolution in America would be a terrible thing. I don't currently see any danger of that. But I do see a lot of support for extremist movements on the right in the current Administration. Retweeting is endorsing. Inviting people to your inauguration is endorsing. Pointing a finger at an intended victim, mentioning the 2nd Amendment, and encouraging people to show up is not innocent.

I cannot think of any American president in my lifetime who did this kind of thing with extremists on the left or the right until now. This is new. And often covered up using the new McCarthyism. Does an American president really need a "Roy Cohn"?

[Szdfan]

In Szdfan’s world, “Communists good; anyone against Communists is bad”.

In Josh's world "Fascists good, everyone against Fascists is bad". Actually, that's not true, but what you said about Jeremy is not true either. And quite generally, these personal attacks of yours are often like that.

Really, this is not OK.

Right. I guess when you don’t have a good response, you can always resort to trolling and personal attacks.

Mennonite involvement in the Holocaust isn’t just in “my world.” Over the past several years, there been quality scholarship on the Mennonite support for Hitler. The difference between perpetrator and victim doesn’t always fit into the simple boxes that Josh seems to think they do. I can think of a number of conservative or far-right regimes that have persecuted Christians or at least made their lives more difficult.

[Josh]

In Szdfan’s world, “Communists good; anyone against Communists is bad”.

In Josh's world "Fascists good, everyone against Fascists is bad". Actually, that's not true, but what you said about Jeremy is not true either. And quite generally, these personal attacks of yours are often like that.

Really, this is not OK.

Right. I guess when you don’t have a good response, you can always resort to trolling and personal attacks.

Mennonite involvement in the Holocaust isn’t just in “my world.” Over the past several years, there been quality scholarship on the Mennonite support for Hitler. The difference between perpetrator and victim doesn’t always fit into the simple boxes that Josh seems to think they do. I can think of a number of conservative or far-right regimes that have persecuted Christians or at least made their lives more difficult.

Nonresistant Mennonites have never supported one side or another in a war. Liberal Mennonites have, which is why I’m not a liberal.

In any case, Bolshevists and Stalinists persecuted and murdered Christians simply for being Christians. If they get into power, we can count on being sent to the gulags or being executed. Period.

[aussieandy]

These days, many of these groups have changed their mind on religion (at least, in the West) and now accept all religious people into their ranks. Some of the smaller more sectarian groups are still heavily Atheist but many of the larger groups, don't care what you are.

So for example Socialist Alliance in Australia (the 2nd largest group) has muslims, Christians, athiests, agnostics and buddhists counted in its membership.

The largest group Socialist Alternative are pretty much the same but are made up more of young uni students so they tend to be a bit less mixed community based and more white student based. The biggest threats from within these groups to religion, aren't oddly enough from the class-based marxists, but more the hard core feminists amongst them (who see religion as oppressive to women).

In the USA, the SDA tends to be very culturally mixed from what I can tell. I'm no expert though. In European countries, many of the largest Bolshevik groups are mixed membership (athiests, religious and agnostic).

Times have changed a lot (but miles from Kingdom Christianity of course).