Coronavirus Outbreak

[Josh]

What's the medical risk of being unvaccinated for covid-19 vs being vaccinated and getting a transplant?

Peer-reviewed journals with scientific data only, please.

[Falco Underhill]

From the same article. It sounds like conditions for being on an organ donation list are nothing new and also entirely appropriate.

Stop smoking and avoid alcohol makes sense if you're getting a heart or kidney transplant. Of course you'd have to agree to take crucial medications as well.


The relevancy of covid vaccines is a stretch so far as I can tell.

It’s not a stretch at all. Transplant surgery requires immune-suppressant drugs to avoid organ rejection.

They've done it lots of times without the covid vaccine before.

[mike]

More Americans have died from COVID-19 this year than from the virus in all of 2020, according to newly updated data from Johns Hopkins University.

[Ken]

Stop smoking and avoid alcohol makes sense if you're getting a heart or kidney transplant. Of course you'd have to agree to take crucial medications as well.


The relevancy of covid vaccines is a stretch so far as I can tell.

It’s not a stretch at all. Transplant surgery requires immune-suppressant drugs to avoid organ rejection.

They've done it lots of times without the covid vaccine before.

In hospitals that are full of Covid patients and with medical staff who are exposed to Covid on a daily basis?

[Dan Z]

More Americans have died from COVID-19 this year than from the virus in all of 2020, according to newly updated data from Johns Hopkins University.

interesting - it was new in 2020 and got a lot more hype evidently...but sadly it continues to grind on - I wonder if it will hit 1 million deaths by the end of 2022. We've had more people close to us with serious COVID this year than last by the way.

[Valerie]

It’s not a stretch at all. Transplant surgery requires immune-suppressant drugs to avoid organ rejection.

They've done it lots of times without the covid vaccine before.

In hospitals that are full of Covid patients and with medical staff who are exposed to Covid on a daily basis?

The hospitals have a floor designated to covid patients. Everything is done extremely carefully I've been watching this now for almost 2 weeks. Since my husband is also a transplant recipient I know that that is also in its own particular area it would be nowhere near a covid floor. I think they're able to think these things through carefully and logically. And the staff that works on the covid floor doesn't go to other floors and work.

Also, I looked up the drug interactions with my husband's two transplant medications he's been on for 15 years. There are many vaccines listed in the drug reactions list with his medications including the covid-19 vaccine.

[Valerie]

Excuse me, i meant drug 'interactions' not reactions.

[Bootstrap]

I don't understand the outrage here.

For transplant patients, why should Covid-19 be treated differently than any other vaccine? This seems reasonable to me.

Patients may be required to receive vaccinations including hepatitis B, MMR and others,” the spokesman told the paper in an email. “Patients may also be required to avoid alcohol, stop smoking, or prove they will be able to continue taking their anti-rejection medications long after their transplant surgery.”

Which of these other things do you find outrageous? Is it wrong to ask patients to stop smoking or avoid alcohol? Is it wrong to ask them to get a MMR vaccine? Or a Hep-B vaccine?

Here's the reason they give:

UCHealth told the TV station that studies had shown that transplant recipients who later tested positive for Covid-19 had a significantly higher mortality rate, of 18 to 32 percent, compared with 1.6 percent among those in the general population who tested positive.

The health system said its policy stemmed from that mortality rate and from concern that living donors could pass on the virus.

Organs are scarce. This affects the probable success.

[Falco Underhill]

Should unvaccinated people quit being organ donors? I’m one, and I find the idea that my organs wouldn’t be donated to an unvaccinated person very offensive.

Addendum: In this case the donor is an unvaccinated friend of hers. She is personally donating her kidney to save her friend's life.

The hospital simply refuses to do any organ transplants for unvaccinated patients.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/1 ... -patients/

[nett]

I don't understand the outrage here.

For transplant patients, why should Covid-19 be treated differently than any other vaccine? This seems reasonable to me.

Patients may be required to receive vaccinations including hepatitis B, MMR and others,” the spokesman told the paper in an email. “Patients may also be required to avoid alcohol, stop smoking, or prove they will be able to continue taking their anti-rejection medications long after their transplant surgery.”

Which of these other things do you find outrageous? Is it wrong to ask patients to stop smoking or avoid alcohol? Is it wrong to ask them to get a MMR vaccine? Or a Hep-B vaccine?

Here's the reason they give:

UCHealth told the TV station that studies had shown that transplant recipients who later tested positive for Covid-19 had a significantly higher mortality rate, of 18 to 32 percent, compared with 1.6 percent among those in the general population who tested positive.

The health system said its policy stemmed from that mortality rate and from concern that living donors could pass on the virus.

Organs are scarce. This affects the probable success.

Shouldn't an antibody titer be considered as an alternative to vaccination? As I've shown in a previous post, vaccination is dangerous and unnecessary for those who have previously had a COVID infection.

The complete disregard for natural immunity points to a specific agenda for vaccination rather than simply public health, hence the outrage.