Coronavirus Outbreak

[Robert]

I wonder how Fauci is going to wiggle his way out of this one. This one seems pretty bad.

https://www.rt.com/usa/534201-republica ... documents/

No one in the government will investigate him and it will be dropped.

[nett]

I think you are mis-reading the Alberta Covid data. The most relevant data table to explore your hypothesis is Table 7 which breaks the data down by age. It is only in the 80+ age category that hospitalization rates start to climb into the 20% or higher for vaccinated individuals and that population (80+) is almost 100% vaccinated. So it is mostly really really old people with likely compromised immune systems and co-morbidities, not younger people that are experiencing the bulk of break-through infections.

Wow, that's even worse then. Younger, healthy people don't need the vaccine, as their risk from an infection is very low, and they will receive superior immunity, and be less likely to spread COVID if they get infected and then recover.

I thought elderly at risk people REALLY needed the vaccine because it protects against severe cases. What you're saying is really making a case against the vax.

[Josh]

OK, Ken, how about this chart, which shows the effectiveness of the vaccine by age cohort?

[haithabu]

I think you are mis-reading the Alberta Covid data. The most relevant data table to explore your hypothesis is Table 7 which breaks the data down by age. It is only in the 80+ age category that hospitalization rates start to climb into the 20% or higher for vaccinated individuals and that population (80+) is almost 100% vaccinated. So it is mostly really really old people with likely compromised immune systems and co-morbidities, not younger people that are experiencing the bulk of break-through infections.

Or to put it another way, the vaccine is waning most for those who need it most.

I am also looking at different numbers than you are, focussing on ICU admissions and deaths as a measure of severe outcomes rather than hospitalization. A certain number of deaths take place in nursing homes so hospitalization by itself is an incomplete measure.

[nett]

I'd like the opinion of the pro-vax here on whether countries like Israel, Germany, the UK, and especially the US should be defying the WHO and distributing booster shoots

WHO chief urges halt to booster shots for rest of the year

[Ken]

I think you are mis-reading the Alberta Covid data. The most relevant data table to explore your hypothesis is Table 7 which breaks the data down by age. It is only in the 80+ age category that hospitalization rates start to climb into the 20% or higher for vaccinated individuals and that population (80+) is almost 100% vaccinated. So it is mostly really really old people with likely compromised immune systems and co-morbidities, not younger people that are experiencing the bulk of break-through infections.

Or to put it another way, the vaccine is waning most for those who need it most.

I am also looking at different numbers than you are, focussing on ICU admissions and deaths as a measure of severe outcomes rather than hospitalization. A certain number of deaths take place in nursing homes so hospitalization by itself is an incomplete measure.

Which table are you looking at then?

[haithabu]

Tables 8 and 10.

[nett]

I'd like the opinion of the pro-vax here on whether countries like Israel, Germany, the UK, and especially the US should be defying the WHO and distributing booster shoots

WHO chief urges halt to booster shots for rest of the year

Man, the pro-vax have really retreated from discussing this. How interesting.

[RZehr]

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-bu ... 46a6fb89be
President Joe Biden on Thursday is announcing sweeping new federal vaccine requirements affecting as many as 100 million Americans in an all-out effort to increase COVID-19 vaccinations and curb the surging delta variant that is killing thousands each week and jeopardizing the nation’s economic recovery.

The expansive rules mandate that all employers with more than 100 workers require them to be vaccinated or test for the virus weekly, affecting about 80 million Americans. And the roughly 17 million workers at health facilities that receive federal Medicare or Medicaid also will have to be fully vaccinated.

Biden’s order for executive branch workers and contractors includes exceptions for workers seeking religious or medical exemptions from vaccination, according to Psaki.

[Dan Z]

Putting Covid into context for children, I read this AM in the NY Times that less than 500 kids 17 or younger have died from COVID thus far. A tragedy in each case for sure, but during the same time more than 5,000 children have died from car accidents.