Excessive violence in schools

[Ken]

Running away from problems is an answer. And it is an easy answer. Is that the same answer you use for everything else in society that you find problematic? Abortion, LGBT rights, pollution, pandemics, and everything else discussed here? Just run away?

Run away from problems?

If a child is being beaten up on a school bus, and asking the school district to help, and they refuse, what do you propose parents do? Just keep sending their child to be beaten and abused?

Absolutely fleeing is sometimes the right answer.

Abortion, LGBT rights, pollution, pandemics, and everything else discussed here? Just run away?

I'm not quite sure what you're saying here.

Abortion is murdering an innocent baby, a tiny child. It's not something we should "run" from. At the same time, I am not willing to pick up a gun and use force (whether as part of organised government or otherwise) to force a murderer to stop his murdering.

Homosexuality is a grave sin in the eyes of God, and one that often ruins a young child's life. The Bible is very clear about that. But again, I am not willing to pick up a gun and use force. God's law is clear:

Though they know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

I do think it is quite reasonable to "run away" and hide my children from sexual predators.

Pollution? Again, I'm not willing to use force. Sometimes it may indeed be best to simply avoid a polluted place. And to take care not to pollute one's self.

Pandemics? I am quite against lockdowns, hiding in fear, and so on. (At one point I was more open to these things.) The answer to illness and sickness is not to cower in fear but to trust in God.

Violent public schools? Well, I'm not on a school board. I'm not a government official. I have no power or control over public schools.

I think doing what we can to provide children who are in danger of being abused a safe place to be educated is a very good thing. I will stand by, quite strongly, what I said earlier that providing a good, private Christian school is an excellent thing to do.

Every one of these issues: youth violence, abortion, LGBT rights, pollution, pandemics, are all issues of PUBLIC policy. If you are seeking solutions to any of them then you have to engage with public policy and expect that your leaders will address these issues in the ways that you feel appropriate, or find new leaders who will.

Packing up and moving or taking your kids to private schools isn't a solution to what you titled as the subject of this thread which is "violence in schools" because it will do nothing to address the problem of violence in schools. But that wasn't your objective anyway. You weren't actually seeking solutions to the problem of violence in public schools. You were seeking an excuse to attack public schools. Which is fine. Attack away, you have plenty of company. But just don't pretend you are actually looking for real solutions because you are not.

I actually pointed to recent data which suggest that the two biggest factors associated with youth violence are poverty and easy availability of firearms. Those are two places I suggest you start if you are actually interested in improving public education outcomes and making schools safer.

[Josh]

Every one of these issues: youth violence, abortion, LGBT rights, pollution, pandemics, are all issues of PUBLIC policy. If you are seeking solutions to any of them then you have to engage with public policy and expect that your leaders will address these issues in the ways that you feel appropriate, or find new leaders who will.

My Bible says nothing about "public policy".

Packing up and moving or taking your kids to private schools isn't a solution to what you titled as the subject of this thread which is "violence in schools" because it will do nothing to address the problem of violence in schools. But that wasn't your objective anyway. You weren't actually seeking solutions to the problem of violence in public schools. You were seeking an excuse to attack public schools. Which is fine. Attack away, you have plenty of company. But just don't pretend you are actually looking for real solutions because you are not.

Actually, it's an excellent solution. At a private school accountable to parents, violence can be dealt with. The government officials told the parents to go to another school (which would mean either moving or a private school) anyway.

I actually pointed to recent data which suggest that the two biggest factors associated with youth violence are poverty and easy availability of firearms. Those are two places I suggest you start if you are actually interested in improving public education outcomes and making schools safer.

The incident involved fists, not firearms.

Poverty does not make a 14 year old boy beat up a 9 year old girl. Lots of people including one of my parents grew up quite poor. There was nothing close to this level of violence.

[Sliceitup]

The parents sought help before this happened; the New York Post reports:

She told the outlet that school administrators are overwhelmed by spiraling violence inside and around the school — and their response was to advise her to enroll her three children elsewhere.

The heartbroken mom noted her two older kids have also been bullied during their brief time at the school — and counselors and administrators have done nothing to address her complaints.

So the answer from the school seems to be “You aren’t welcome here”, go elsewhere, and when they didn’t, their children were savagely beaten.

I keep looking for more detailed articles about this story and I’m not having any luck finding one. As reported, it sounds like an atrocious situation. And doesn’t vibe with the experiences I’ve had with public schools and fights.

[Josh]

The parents sought help before this happened; the New York Post reports:

She told the outlet that school administrators are overwhelmed by spiraling violence inside and around the school — and their response was to advise her to enroll her three children elsewhere.

The heartbroken mom noted her two older kids have also been bullied during their brief time at the school — and counselors and administrators have done nothing to address her complaints.

So the answer from the school seems to be “You aren’t welcome here”, go elsewhere, and when they didn’t, their children were savagely beaten.

I keep looking for more detailed articles about this story and I’m not having any luck finding one. As reported, it sounds like an atrocious situation. And doesn’t vibe with the experiences I’ve had with public schools and fights.

Have you ever lived in a disadvantaged, non-majority-white area and sent your young children to public school?

[Sliceitup]

The parents sought help before this happened; the New York Post reports:



So the answer from the school seems to be “You aren’t welcome here”, go elsewhere, and when they didn’t, their children were savagely beaten.

I keep looking for more detailed articles about this story and I’m not having any luck finding one. As reported, it sounds like an atrocious situation. And doesn’t vibe with the experiences I’ve had with public schools and fights.

Have you ever lived in a disadvantaged, non-majority-white area and sent your young children to public school?

A few of my children have attended public school and one is currently in a public school. However it’s not a disadvantaged, non majority white area.

In my experience, kids who fight get suspended.

[Ken]

The parents sought help before this happened; the New York Post reports:



So the answer from the school seems to be “You aren’t welcome here”, go elsewhere, and when they didn’t, their children were savagely beaten.

I keep looking for more detailed articles about this story and I’m not having any luck finding one. As reported, it sounds like an atrocious situation. And doesn’t vibe with the experiences I’ve had with public schools and fights.

Have you ever lived in a disadvantaged, non-majority-white area and sent your young children to public school?

There we go, leaping to the defense of segregation.

[Josh]

I keep looking for more detailed articles about this story and I’m not having any luck finding one. As reported, it sounds like an atrocious situation. And doesn’t vibe with the experiences I’ve had with public schools and fights.

Have you ever lived in a disadvantaged, non-majority-white area and sent your young children to public school?

There we go, leaping to the defense of segregation.

Where did I do that?

[Josh]

I keep looking for more detailed articles about this story and I’m not having any luck finding one. As reported, it sounds like an atrocious situation. And doesn’t vibe with the experiences I’ve had with public schools and fights.

Have you ever lived in a disadvantaged, non-majority-white area and sent your young children to public school?

A few of my children have attended public school and one is currently in a public school. However it’s not a disadvantaged, non majority white area.

In my experience, kids who fight get suspended.

And in integrated or non-white school districts, kids who misbehave like that generally don’t get suspended as you’re accustomed to; there is a strong push to get rid of suspensions altogether (the ideology is called the “school to prison pipeline) for misbehaving pupils.

[Ken]

Have you ever lived in a disadvantaged, non-majority-white area and sent your young children to public school?

There we go, leaping to the defense of segregation.

Where did I do that?

You are giving voice to the same arguments used across the country to justify every form of segregation. It is un-Christian. We can be better than that.

[Josh]

There we go, leaping to the defense of segregation.

Where did I do that?

You are giving voice to the same arguments used across the country to justify every form of segregation. It is un-Christian. We can be better than that.

You are putting words in my mouth. I never said such a thing, and in fact, I think Sliceitup doesn’t understand the nature of the problem because she has only experienced a cozy, segregated school.

I said the school district should be making sure students are not subject to racialised violence. The school district told the parents to go enrol somewhere else. Sounds like the school district is the one promoting segregation: “go enrol in a school with people your own race, and go away”

I will continue to promote private, Christian schools. That is not “segregation”. I have never promoted a school that only allowed pupils of a certain race. The majority of my time volunteering and donations were with a school where my race was in the minority.