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[Josh]

“ They have schools scattered all over the state and bring in about $350 million dollars that has been diverted from public schools”

“Diverted”? Parents pay taxes. They should be allowed to have these taxes pay for whatever school they wish.

[ken_sylvania]

“ They have schools scattered all over the state and bring in about $350 million dollars that has been diverted from public schools”

“Diverted”? Parents pay taxes. They should be allowed to have these taxes pay for whatever school they wish.

That is different model from some states, where landowners pay the school taxes instead of the parents.

[Josh]

“ They have schools scattered all over the state and bring in about $350 million dollars that has been diverted from public schools”

“Diverted”? Parents pay taxes. They should be allowed to have these taxes pay for whatever school they wish.

That is different model from some states, where landowners pay the school taxes instead of the parents.

Nonetheless, it seems reasonable for parents to choose where to spend those education dollars. Nobody has their children’s best interests in mind more than parents do.

In many big school districts, homeowners are the majority of property tax payors. Renters indirectly pay property taxes via rents. And income taxes also support schools, about half where I live between state and federal dollars.

Unelected bureaucrats shouldn’t get to decide how parents raise their children.

[temporal1]

Being deeply familiar with NYC charter schools, I couldn't give such a recommendation. I certainly wouldn't want my children in that type of environment. (Not all charter schools are equivalent of course)

You really just don’t like Sowell, do you

Au contraire I respect Sowell and have been following him since the 80s.

It has to do with my knowledge of what some charter schools are like with regard to behavior modification practices.

1. Following TS for 40 years, not mentioning his name before this. hmm.

2. TS is not Anabaptist, neither are public schools or charter schools, there are bound to be some points of contention.
Possibly school uniforms are required? Saluting the flag?

3. Discipline is racist.
(Altho it’s not just for the wealthy, it need not be costly; those who thrive, no matter station in life, usually credit their success to various forms of discipline.) Dr Ben Carson credits his mother who had hope, vision, focus, in very hard personal circumstances. Dr Carson’s experience, crediting home and faith support, is not uncommon for those who achieve against the odds. Self discipline may be most important factor in employment potential. Self discipline is respected.

4. Charter schools must not be churning out Dem voters as a standard result. (The current most important gov school standard.)

These are my guesses as to why jbg would oppose. TS describes various arguments against charter schools. Teacher unions oppose.
i think it’s valuable to listen to those who have achieved against the odds, and those who are specially invested in helping others like them find their way.

Quaint old habit i learned long ago. ^^ The voice of experience. A word to the wise.

TS has nothing to gain but rejection by taking his stand. He and others like him. The world offers riches and fame for the opposite. Imagine what an idol Dr Alveda King would be - if she just recited the lib narrative! No limits. She would enjoy a national holiday in her name. To imagine what these people have the strength to deny themselves. i don’t take it for granted. It takes backbone.

Altho i’m not black, and i have not achieved on TS’ or Dr Carson’s level of success, many of their family and life experiences resonate with my experience (i lived next door, we went to the same schools before 1964). Poverty with dignity, faith, hope, and vision. Hard, thankless work for very little pay. Gratitude in all circumstances. Denial of abundant temptations all around, accepting isolation over “fitting in.” Failures. Disappointments. Losses. Insults. As scriptures warn, life on earth is not easy.

[Ken]

“ They have schools scattered all over the state and bring in about $350 million dollars that has been diverted from public schools”

“Diverted”? Parents pay taxes. They should be allowed to have these taxes pay for whatever school they wish.

A lot of the money gets diverted to shell companies that they set up for that purpose and then just vanishes. It is a neat trick.

You buy an old abandoned building. The Harmony school in Waco occupies an old abandoned Albertson's grocery building. https://goo.gl/maps/CNDECqDSys8LSdyT6 You budget $10 million of public dollars for renovations and pay a contracting shell company that you set up $10 million for the job. They do maybe $1 million of actual renovations and the other $9 million of public dollars vanishes into thin air (or into the pockets of Fethullah Gülen and his shadowy network of Muslim groups). A lot of the money they spend is actually bond obligations that the taxpayers are obligated to finance and repay even if the operation collapses so it is even worse. They are obligating future taxpayers to cover their debts even if they, themselves, vanish. With no elected school boards, no public supervision or oversight, nothing.

And of course, unlike with public schools, there is zero financial accountability because charter schools have been exempted by law from all the normal public accountability and open records laws that apply to normal public schools.

[joshuabgood]

Is every charter school the same (public schools mostly are)?

I would think parents can choose from a variety of charter schools and find “behaviour modification practices” they’re comfortable with.

If you think no schools should ever engage in corporal punishment, well, that’s a different topic.

No. Not every charter schools is the same. Some buy heavily into a "neo-paternalism" way of thinking and some are extremely progressive. Some are are in essence branded corporations and others are "mom and pop" shops.

Also not every public school is the same. Some public schools in NYC are very ineffective and poorly led, others are "middle of the road" and still others are some of the best schools in the nation.

It's like saying every Mennonite schools is the same. But they really aren't. Or all homeschoolers are the same...

[temporal1]

“ They have schools scattered all over the state and bring in about $350 million dollars that has been diverted from public schools”
“Diverted”? Parents pay taxes. They should be allowed to have these taxes pay for whatever school they wish.

That is different model from some states, where landowners pay the school taxes instead of the parents.

Landowners pass their tax costs along. They MIGHT enjoy tax credits renters would not.

Everyone who pays taxes has a voice in how taxes are distributed, parents should NOT be alone.
Go to school board meetings.

Parents who choose home school and/or private school pay taxes for gov schools. i pray they do not ignore gov school policies!
They not only pay, but, eventually, their children will be swimming in the very same waters as gov school grads.

Want the best for ALL children. Do what’s possible, even if making a personal choice to abstain.

My current property tax bill shows about 3/4 going to gov schools. That’s a lot.
The rest goes to fire protection services, roads+bridges, etc. Schools are the uncontested LIONS SHARE.

[Josh]

Is every charter school the same (public schools mostly are)?

I would think parents can choose from a variety of charter schools and find “behaviour modification practices” they’re comfortable with.

If you think no schools should ever engage in corporal punishment, well, that’s a different topic.

No. Not every charter schools is the same. Some buy heavily into a "neo-paternalism" way of thinking and some are extremely progressive. Some are are in essence branded corporations and others are "mom and pop" shops.

Also not every public school is the same. Some public schools in NYC are very ineffective and poorly led, others are "middle of the road" and still others are some of the best schools in the nation.

It's like saying every Mennonite schools is the same. But they really aren't. Or all homeschoolers are the same...

In other words, parents get choice.

[Josh]

“ They have schools scattered all over the state and bring in about $350 million dollars that has been diverted from public schools”

“Diverted”? Parents pay taxes. They should be allowed to have these taxes pay for whatever school they wish.

A lot of the money gets diverted to shell companies that they set up for that purpose and then just vanishes. It is a neat trick.

You buy an old abandoned building. The Harmony school in Waco occupies an old abandoned Albertson's grocery building. https://goo.gl/maps/CNDECqDSys8LSdyT6 You budget $10 million of public dollars for renovations and pay a contracting shell company that you set up $10 million for the job. They do maybe $1 million of actual renovations and the other $9 million of public dollars vanishes into thin air (or into the pockets of Fethullah Gülen and his shadowy network of Muslim groups). A lot of the money they spend is actually bond obligations that the taxpayers are obligated to finance and repay even if the operation collapses so it is even worse. They are obligating future taxpayers to cover their debts even if they, themselves, vanish. With no elected school boards, no public supervision or oversight, nothing.

And of course, unlike with public schools, there is zero financial accountability because charter schools have been exempted by law from all the normal public accountability and open records laws that apply to normal public schools.

Public schools do all of the above and worse.

You’re just mad because now there’s competition for your public school racket.

[temporal1]

“ They have schools scattered all over the state and bring in about $350 million dollars that has been diverted from public schools”

“Diverted”? Parents pay taxes. They should be allowed to have these taxes pay for whatever school they wish.

A lot of the money gets diverted to shell companies that they set up for that purpose and then just vanishes. It is a neat trick.

You buy an old abandoned building. The Harmony school in Waco occupies an old abandoned Albertson's grocery building. https://goo.gl/maps/CNDECqDSys8LSdyT6 You budget $10 million of public dollars for renovations and pay a contracting shell company that you set up $10 million for the job. They do maybe $1 million of actual renovations and the other $9 million of public dollars vanishes into thin air (or into the pockets of Fethullah Gülen and his shadowy network of Muslim groups). A lot of the money they spend is actually bond obligations that the taxpayers are obligated to finance and repay even if the operation collapses so it is even worse. They are obligating future taxpayers to cover their debts even if they, themselves, vanish. With no elected school boards, no public supervision or oversight, nothing.

And of course, unlike with public schools, there is zero financial accountability because charter schools have been exempted by law from all the normal public accountability and open records laws that apply to normal public schools.

Public schools do all of the above and worse.

You’re just mad because now there’s competition for your public school racket.

i wrote:
My current property tax bill shows about 3/4 going to gov schools. That’s a lot.
The rest goes to fire protection services, roads+bridges, etc. Schools are the uncontested LIONS SHARE.

It’s about the money. And power.
Teachers’ unions look out for teachers; students+families .. not the mission.

TS describes a lot of this in his 57 min video above. He doesn’t refer to foxes and henhouses, but.