Mennonite Measles in Texas

[ohio jones]

In my practice, "should" is advisory, not mandatory or imperative. Perhaps a medical professional (and by that I mean someone like Soloist, Judas, or Danfreed, not Dr. Google) could tell us what weight that language has in the medical world.

[Judas Maccabeus]

In my practice, "should" is advisory, not mandatory or imperative. Perhaps a medical professional (and by that I mean someone like Soloist, Judas, or Danfreed, not Dr. Google) could tell us what weight that language has in the medical world.

“should not” in a medical context means you should not do something, and will be held accountable for the consequences if you do.

We seldom see “shall not” verbiage.

Example: “You should not exceed weight limits on your imaging table.” No one is going to send a checker to see that you comply. However, if it cracks, and drops a patient to the floor, you will be accountable.

If we are told we should not so something, we simply don’t do it, and if you do, you need to have a powerful rationale at the ready.

[Judas Maccabeus]

In my practice, "should" is advisory, not mandatory or imperative. Perhaps a medical professional (and by that I mean someone like Soloist, Judas, or Danfreed, not Dr. Google) could tell us what weight that language has in the medical world.

What you have above is a summary of the full prescribing information. Here is the full prescribing information. Page down to page 3 and you will find the following:

“Do not dilute mix or combine Gardasil 9 with other vaccines “

https://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_ci ... l_9_pi.pdf

[JohnH]

JohnH is here on a public forum accusing the Cleveland Clinic of administering its own un-tested and unapproved vaccine cocktails in violation of both the law and the guidelines by the vaccine manufacturers themselves. And he is doing so in support of his larger argument that vaccines are unsafe and ineffective.

I have done no such thing. I have not claimed they have broken the law nor violated any guidelines.

Please do not make statements claiming that I have said things that I have not.

[JohnH]

What you have above is a summary of the full prescribing information. Here is the full prescribing information. Page down to page 3 and you will find the following:

“Do not dilute mix or combine Gardasil 9 with other vaccines “

https://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_ci ... l_9_pi.pdf

Did anyone say they were mixing it in a doctor's office?

Presumably it came from the manufacturer or pharmacy that way.

[Judas Maccabeus]

What you have above is a summary of the full prescribing information. Here is the full prescribing information. Page down to page 3 and you will find the following:

“Do not dilute mix or combine Gardasil 9 with other vaccines “

https://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_ci ... l_9_pi.pdf

Did anyone say they were mixing it in a doctor's office?

Presumably it came from the manufacturer or pharmacy that way.

It could not have since no such combination product exists. Show me an insert for this alleged combination! Yo can’t, because it simply does not exist. It takes 2 minutes, if one is present.

[JohnH]

It could not have since no such combination product exists. Show me an insert for this alleged combination! Yo can’t, because it simply does not exist. It takes 2 minutes, if one is present.

I am not an expert nor up to date on where one finds information about vaccines (other than being aware there seems to be a lot of effort spent to make sure patients know as little as possible, because you're supposed to "just trust us" when it comes to vaccines). So I have no idea how to truly verify if such a combination exists or not.

However, I certainly know what I saw and heard. I stood by the vaccine fridge multiple times. You assured me that no competent medical facility would ever allow such a thing. Yet a quite competent medical facility has done so. Unfortunately, this means your proclamations about other things are just as suspect.

It may be that you and I find we don't respect each other or find each credible. However, I am just sharing my own, personal experiences - no more. I am not claiming to be an authority. I think you make frequent appeals to authority, when that authority has not been agreed upon. Some humility may be the next best step to take.

[justme]

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There isn't a combined Gardasil (HPV vaccine) and flu vaccine available, so you'd need to get them separately, which are manufactured by Merck and CSL Seqirus respectively.
Gardasil (HPV vaccine): Manufactured by Merck.
Flu Vaccine: CSL Seqirus is a world leader in influenza vaccines.
Other flu vaccine manufacturers: Sanofi Pasteur and Novartis.

[Judas Maccabeus]

It could not have since no such combination product exists. Show me an insert for this alleged combination! Yo can’t, because it simply does not exist. It takes 2 minutes, if one is present.

I am not an expert nor up to date on where one finds information about vaccines (other than being aware there seems to be a lot of effort spent to make sure patients know as little as possible, because you're supposed to "just trust us" when it comes to vaccines). So I have no idea how to truly verify if such a combination exists or not.

However, I certainly know what I saw and heard. I stood by the vaccine fridge multiple times. You assured me that no competent medical facility would ever allow such a thing. Yet a quite competent medical facility has done so. Unfortunately, this means your proclamations about other things are just as suspect.

It may be that you and I find we don't respect each other or find each credible. However, I am just sharing my own, personal experiences - no more. I am not claiming to be an authority. I think you make frequent appeals to authority, when that authority has not been agreed upon. Some humility may be the next best step to take.

Just Google it. Nothing will come up, because nothing is there. The authority I appeal to is the USFDA.

That vaccine fridge should not be in an area accessible to the public. Sooner or later, they will be cited for it, and have to move it.

Give me the insert, please. None exsists.

[Soloist]

Moving back to measles…

So far in Texas the numbers are up to 400 reported cases with 1 death and 41 hospitalizations.

That would suggest the fatality rate is relatively small and nowhere near 2%, at least in the US.

With Covid, we had undereporting, and we know this because we still had uptick in fatalities in certain areas of our country that were more prone having less reports…

Based off of how the general population has been treating this couple who decided to open their mouth (at least online), and on reports I’ve read, I would suggest that the initial Mennonite population was mostly noncompliant in being tested.
I don’t know what the actual numbers would look like if we had that, but I would suggest at least 50% increase in cases. Obviously, I have no way to actually know this…
So that would put our numbers at somewhere between 0.25% to 0.16% with hospitalization rates ranging from 10% to 5%.
Given these numbers, I would suggest historical data is not up to modern results. As we continue to have more measles outbreaks among unvaccinated, we will gather more accurate data given this is a relatively small population data to work with. that being said, given how the unvaccinated are treated, it’s going to be even harder probably to gather accurate data in the future because people will not want to report it.