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Josh wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 11:51 am

GaryK wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 10:12 am

UN revises Gaza death toll, almost 50% less women and children killed than previously reported

https://www.foxnews.com/world/un-revise ... y-reported

Before anyone jumps in to say that this can't be trusted because it's Fox News, I did confirm this drop in numbers on the UN website.

Only 12 756 women and children killed. I guess that number is more acceptable?

I think 0 is the only acceptable calling. For reference, Israel’s casualties were 250 killed, 1200 hostages (presumed dead by now).

Obviously no number is really acceptable. But it undermines the moral argument when one side deliberately exaggerates the numbers.

Also I would point out that the baseline number is not going to be zero. In a typical population the average natural death rate is going to be about 8 deaths per thousand in a given year. So if we run the numbers for Gaza they would look like this:

2 million population x 8/1000 = 16,000 deaths per year. Given that the war has gone for about 8 months, that gives us a rough estimate of about 10,666 Gazans who would have died on average in the past 8 months absent any war, or about 45 per day. So that is the actual baseline, not zero.

Now obviously a lot of people are dying from bombings. But people are also dying of natural causes every single day as well. And it is probably hard to parse out exactly how much is due to each cause. If the war means that people can no longer get their diabetics medicine and they die of diabetes, was that death due to natural causes, or is it a war casualty? Either way it is a dead body in a hospital morgue in the middle of a war.

How many additional people have died in Gaza over the past 8 months either directly or indirectly due to the actions of Israel? That is the real question. And the answer is probably not knowable. It is a whole lot more than zero but apparently far less than the 30,000+ number commonly cited.

Josh wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 11:51 am

GaryK wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 10:12 am

UN revises Gaza death toll, almost 50% less women and children killed than previously reported

https://www.foxnews.com/world/un-revise ... y-reported

Before anyone jumps in to say that this can't be trusted because it's Fox News, I did confirm this drop in numbers on the UN website.

Only 12 756 women and children killed. I guess that number is more acceptable?

I think 0 is the only acceptable calling. For reference, Israel’s casualties were 250 killed, 1200 hostages (presumed dead by now).

I'm just thankful that not as many women and children have been killed as had been previously reported. Aren't you?

GaryK wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 10:12 am

UN revises Gaza death toll, almost 50% less women and children killed than previously reported

https://www.foxnews.com/world/un-revise ... y-reported

Before anyone jumps in to say that this can't be trusted because it's Fox News, I did confirm this drop in numbers on the UN website.

^^i believe i read Fetterman addressing this days-weeks ago, most unpopular. i’m thankful it was not unfounded.

Nearby:
“President Biden leaves Seattle after first area trip since 2022”
https://mynorthwest.com/3959222/expect- ... next-week/

.. The White House Press Pool reported that Biden talked about Hamas, Israel and a possible cease-fire.

“Before I begin, let me answer a question related to the hostages. I keep getting asked by the press and all the other folks out there. You know, there would be a ceasefire tomorrow if Ira — Hamas released the hostages, women, the elderly, and the wounded,”
Biden said at the event, according to the White House Press Pool. ..

Ira..n???
In history, i believe the word required to end assault, including retaliatory assault, was SURRENDER.

Surrender isn’t the same as genocide nor negotiate. In my meager understanding.

GaryK wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 4:13 pm

Josh wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 11:51 am

GaryK wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 10:12 am

https://www.foxnews.com/world/un-revise ... y-reported

Before anyone jumps in to say that this can't be trusted because it's Fox News, I did confirm this drop in numbers on the UN website.

Only 12 756 women and children killed. I guess that number is more acceptable?

I think 0 is the only acceptable calling. For reference, Israel’s casualties were 250 killed, 1200 hostages (presumed dead by now).

I'm just thankful that not as many women and children have been killed as had been previously reported. Aren't you?

I'm finding the way that the political right wing is talking about this quite offensive, as if the inflated numbers somehow mean Israel is in the right on this. I don't like that narrative at all. The simple fact is, both Hamas and Israel are in the wrong on all of this.

Christians have failed.
Instructions were/are to spread The Gospel, convert hearts. Everywhere.

2000+ years. So much work to be done.

temporal1 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:23 pm

temporal1 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 10:15 am

Robert wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2024 8:49 am What happened to the US dock they were going to build to bring in all the aid needed?

US says a UN agency has agreed to help in distribution of aid to Gaza via sea route
https://apnews.com/article/gaza-israel- ... 4fd542a475

^^i saw something recently specific to use of the dock, i’ll add if i see it again.

Robert wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 2:15 pm This is not just one person. I have heard several stories like this. This is sick and hate filled.
[media]https:

yes. it is.

Apr 25 2024 / “U.S. Begins Construction on Temporary Pier to Deliver Humanitarian Aid to Gaza”
https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stori ... d-to-gaza/

May 15 2024 / “A massive U.S. dock to deliver food and other humanitarian aid will reach Gaza tonight“
https://www.aol.com/news/massive-u-dock ... 25107.html

temporal1 wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 7:20 pm Christians have failed.
Instructions were/are to spread The Gospel, convert hearts. Everywhere.

2000+ years. So much work to be done.

ohio jones wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 1:20 pm

GaryK wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 12:02 pm How do citizens of the Kingdom of Heaven go about getting the kingdoms of the world to stop developing and using nuclear and other bombs against other kingdoms of the world?

By inviting citizens of the kingdoms of the world to become citizens of the Kingdom of Heaven; teaching, baptizing, and discipling them. When that task (the one we have actually been given) is complete, the other one will be as well.

temporal1 wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 5:04 pm

temporal1 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:23 pm

temporal1 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 10:15 am
US says a UN agency has agreed to help in distribution of aid to Gaza via sea route
https://apnews.com/article/gaza-israel- ... 4fd542a475

^^i saw something recently specific to use of the dock, i’ll add if i see it again.

yes. it is.

Apr 25 2024 / “U.S. Begins Construction on Temporary Pier to Deliver Humanitarian Aid to Gaza”
https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stori ... d-to-gaza/

May 15 2024 / “A massive U.S. dock to deliver food and other humanitarian aid will reach Gaza tonight“
https://www.aol.com/news/massive-u-dock ... 25107.html

The May 15 link isn’t working. i tried to correct it a few times. [If mods see this, please remove the link.]
The title can stay.

temporal1 wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 8:23 pm The May 15 link isn’t working. i tried to correct it a few times. [If mods see this, please remove the link.]
The title can stay.

The link works for me.

ohio jones wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 10:38 pm

temporal1 wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 8:23 pm The May 15 link isn’t working. i tried to correct it a few times. [If mods see this, please remove the link.]
The title can stay.

The link works for me.

Thanks for checking.
For me it opens my personal email inbox. Nothing about the article!
This has not happened before, but is happening again+again with this link. It is a weird.