Miller Farms fined

[JohnH]

Who said anything about court?

Enforcing property rights generally involves going to court (if it's civil, which the cops will usually say it is).

I'm willing to bet that Amos Miller has a deed to his properties and recognizes them as valid. And expects the government to do the same. Those are government-issued documents.

Deeds (in PA and elsewhere) are not government issued documents.

They are issued by the property owner, who then hands them in to the county recorder who places a stamp on them that they have been received. The information from the deed and survey is usually stored in some kind of map to easily look information up, but the actual legal description of the property is on the deed, and that is not issued by the government.

[temporal1]

2026

They emphasize no listeria deaths from Amos Millers’ products. (?)

Toward to end they discuss vaccines.

i don’t recall TRACY THURMAN in previouss forum discussions.
Viva Frei is noted in this topic and others.

Viva Frei / The Food War on the Amish: Tracy Thurman on Pennsylvania’s Lawfare Against Traditional Farmers! / 1hr 9+min

[temporal1]

INDIANA

Small farms / Under $1.5 million (90% of Indiana farms)

zephzoid WROTE:
Indiana just freed roughly nine out of ten farms in the state from routine health inspections.

Governor Mike Braun signed a law in March 2026 defining any operation under $1.5 million in annual sales as a small farm, pulling health departments out of licensing those businesses.

Those farms can now sell home processed meat, baked goods, and produce straight to buyers, with oversight limited to actual complaints.

Buy direct from farms on Localize.

jasonmichaelthomas WROTE:
I'm a farmer in Indiana.
By allowing small farms to thrive, you will continue to allow better food choices, encourage food sovereignty, and stop corporate control of our food supply.

All of these farms are subject to inspection if they get someone sick.
Until then, they are free to operate correctly.

Since the overwhelming consensus here seems to be negative, I'll say this is an amazing thing.
I think it's hilarious that so many people probably putting out negative comments against this just walk through their freezer aisle and buy stuff willy-nilly thinking it's healthy having no idea where it came from.

If you buy a pound of ground beef from a small farm it's completely traceable.
If you get sick from a pound of ground beef from a mega farm, you have no idea whose fault it is.
So many more recalls for the big corporations on all levels. Don't act like that stuff is safe

There are many negatve comments.

[R7ehr]

I wonder if this law defines "straight off the land". Is it acceptable to buy meat from elsewhere, and resell if off the farm? Could one small farm buy product from 20 other small farms, and resell the products from his own farm?

[ken_sylvania]

jasonmichaelthomas WROTE:
If you buy a pound of ground beef from a small farm it's completely traceable.
If you get sick from a pound of ground beef from a mega farm, you have no idea whose fault it is.

Wonder how he figures that?

[temporal1]

It must be this:

House Bill 1424
Farm and homestead food sales.
https://iga.in.gov/legislative/2026/bil ... 24/details

[ohio jones]

I wonder if this law defines "straight off the land". Is it acceptable to buy meat from elsewhere, and resell if off the farm? Could one small farm buy product from 20 other small farms, and resell the products from his own farm?

"Straight off the land" is interpretation, not law. Nor is it limited to meat. This PDF from the Indiana Department of Health explains the implementation of the law.

In the case of meat, it does have to be raised on the property. But multiple farmers/vendors can set up a farmers [sic] market as an alternative to on-property sales.

[barnhart]

I think this type of law can be beneficial but it likely can be exploited as well. About 15 years ago NYS and NYC made an effort to align their regulations to allow and encourage direct farm to consumer markets. It seems to work best in Manhattan and other high density communities but it has increased availability of fresh farm products. Another by product was increasing agriculture in the upstate. The last I checked New York was the only state where the median age of farmers is lowering.

[Ernie]

I think this type of law can be beneficial but it likely can be exploited as well. About 15 years ago NYS and NYC made an effort to align their regulations to allow and encourage direct farm to consumer markets. It seems to work best in Manhattan and other high density communities but it has increased availability of fresh farm products. Another by product was increasing agriculture in the upstate. The last I checked New York was the only state where the median age of farmers is lowering.

I like the model. I tried finding an article about the median age of farmers and AI tells me this is false.

[barnhart]

I think this type of law can be beneficial but it likely can be exploited as well. About 15 years ago NYS and NYC made an effort to align their regulations to allow and encourage direct farm to consumer markets. It seems to work best in Manhattan and other high density communities but it has increased availability of fresh farm products. Another by product was increasing agriculture in the upstate. The last I checked New York was the only state where the median age of farmers is lowering.

I like the model. I tried finding an article about the median age of farmers and AI tells me this is false.

It may not be true anymore.