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[Robert]

Apparently our brilliant (sic) Vice President might have thought so.

I was going to get the exact same clip, but you beat me to it.

[Signtist]

Robert, I've greatly respected how you've seemed to keep a level head throughout the COVID debacle. You briefly mentioned the ethics of the vaccine, and I wonder if you could in a few sentences tell me what your thoughts are on that. Nobody I know seems too concerned about the fetal cells used in the process, I can't get that out of my mind. I know Asher Witmer , and Viewpoint, and other Anabaptist authors have done their level best to sooth our consciences on this point, but...

[Robert]

I can't get that out of my mind. I know Asher Witmer , and Viewpoint, and other Anabaptist authors have done their level best to sooth our consciences on this point, but...

The lines used to develop are well in existence. While I do not agree with abortion at all, I also value cadaver organ donation. Something good can come from something terrible. It does not justify the cause, but brings some good from the death. While not exactly the same, I do think a loving God would want us to use what we had to bring healing to those around us. That being said, I FULLY support anyone who chooses not to take any treatment that was developed from fetal tissue research.

I wish they would have developed the vaccines without the fetal tissue. I think they could have. I think they continue to use the lines as justification, instead of necessity.

Again, I ONLY got my vaccinations because I had to to enter the base this July. The reason why I have to go on the base is something that I disagree with, but choose to support another who sees it differently.

[Soloist]

Robert, I've greatly respected how you've seemed to keep a level head throughout the COVID debacle. You briefly mentioned the ethics of the vaccine, and I wonder if you could in a few sentences tell me what your thoughts are on that. Nobody I know seems too concerned about the fetal cells used in the process, I can't get that out of my mind. I know Asher Witmer , and Viewpoint, and other Anabaptist authors have done their level best to sooth our consciences on this point, but...

The last part of your post is what bothers me the most. I have known only one other person that shares my concern without delving into conspiracies... Yet there are many plain people yelling "Ethical" Despite those people being well educated and often knowing how deep this goes in terms of medication and particularly mono clonal antibodies.

[Signtist]

Thanks, Robert, for taking the time to reply.

[Signtist]

The last part of your post is what bothers me the most. I have known only one other person that shares my concern without delving into conspiracies...

What is your concern? I may be a little slow, but I'm pretty sure I'm misreading what you wrote.

[Soloist]

The last part of your post is what bothers me the most. I have known only one other person that shares my concern without delving into conspiracies...

What is your concern? I may be a little slow, but I'm pretty sure I'm misreading what you wrote.

Nothing targeting you, hope you didn't take it that way

Robert, I've greatly respected how you've seemed to keep a level head throughout the COVID debacle. You briefly mentioned the ethics of the vaccine, and I wonder if you could in a few sentences tell me what your thoughts are on that. Nobody I know seems too concerned about the fetal cells used in the process, I can't get that out of my mind. I know Asher Witmer , and Viewpoint, and other Anabaptist authors have done their level best to sooth our consciences on this point, but...

That phrase bothers me. https://kingdomoutpost.org/video-covid- ... rspective/

There is a transcript available but he makes claims that are wrong about the fetal cells. Maybe he was trained that way and never looked into it. Maybe this sounds arrogant, a nurse saying a doctor is wrong... He should know the cell lines used for vaccines are not immortal, he should know about the Hayflick limit. He presents only the final step of making the mRNA vaccines and completely side steps where the "DNA" used to make the RNA even comes from and says its entirely synthetic. These three pieces I pulled out are publicly accessible data that at least the first two, Doctors should know.
Every single doctor I've seen among the plain community who posts about this has distorted or left pieces out as they say its ethical. The only doctor I know who would actually take a stand on fetal cell use in vaccines is Dr. Miggiani. He agrees with me, or rather I agree with him although he would not take it as far as I would in application of medication.

[Signtist]

No, I didn't feel targeted. I just wasn't sure if we agreed or disagreed! I honestly feel like most Mennonites I know who are pro-vaccine haven't the faintest clue about the possible side effects or the ethics of it. And then, the ones who know about the fetal cells are quick, as you say, to leave out or ugnore certain facts. I have moree respect for a person like Robert who acknowledges the ethical ramifications.

[Soloist]

No, I didn't feel targeted. I just wasn't sure if we agreed or disagreed! I honestly feel like most Mennonites I know who are pro-vaccine haven't the faintest clue about the possible side effects or the ethics of it. And then, the ones who know about the fetal cells are quick, as you say, to leave out or ugnore certain facts. I have moree respect for a person like Robert who acknowledges the ethical ramifications.

If you evaluate the data and decide you hold no conviction on the use of cells and you disagree with my conclusions, who am I to judge?

[Ken]

99.5% Of People Killed By Covid In Last 6 Months Were Unvaccinated, Data Suggests

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcev ... -suggests/

CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said at a Thursday White House briefing that preliminary data reviewed by her agency suggests 99.5% of the people who died from Covid-19 over the past six months were unvaccinated, a stunning statistic in support of her assertion that nearly every virus-linked death is now preventable…

So what does that mean in terms of actual numbers? I’m too lazy to look it up but I’m guessing several hundred thousand deaths in the past 6 months. Although it has really only been since about Feb/March that the vaccines were widely available to vulnerable populations and since maybe April for everyone.