Gender confusion

[Ken]

So the Feds are now investigating school districts that choose to remove books dealing with sexual orientation and transgender issues.



https://www.texastribune.org/2022/12/20 ... il-rights/

I thought conservatives were against censorship. Opposition to censorship in schools and universities is the basis of Trump's new campaign.

I wasn't aware that this article was about conservatives and Trump. I thought it was about the Feds, for the first time ever, investigating a school district for removing books from their libraries.

They are investigating a formal Title 9 complaint that was made to the Department of Education's Office of Civil Rights. Which is is their duty to do so under the law. We do not yet know what conclusions they will reach and they won't comment until they have concluded, so it seems premature to get wound up about it at this point.

[GaryK]

I thought conservatives were against censorship. Opposition to censorship in schools and universities is the basis of Trump's new campaign.

I wasn't aware that this article was about conservatives and Trump. I thought it was about the Feds, for the first time ever, investigating a school district for removing books from their libraries.

They are investigating a formal Title 9 complaint that was made to the Department of Education's Office of Civil Rights. Which is is their duty to do so under the law. We do not yet know what conclusions they will reach and they won't comment until they have concluded, so it seems premature to get wound up about it at this point.

I don't think I'm wound up about it. I simply posted it to show what's happening in this gender confused world we're currently living in.

[Ken]

I wasn't aware that this article was about conservatives and Trump. I thought it was about the Feds, for the first time ever, investigating a school district for removing books from their libraries.

They are investigating a formal Title 9 complaint that was made to the Department of Education's Office of Civil Rights. Which is is their duty to do so under the law. We do not yet know what conclusions they will reach and they won't comment until they have concluded, so it seems premature to get wound up about it at this point.

I don't think I'm wound up about it. I simply posted it to show what's happening in this gender confused world we're currently living in.

Yes, some people are trying to employ the law (or create new laws ) in order to censor any LGBT content in public libraries.

And some people oppose such censorship and are using using the law and other tools at their disposal to fight it.

So it goes.

Meanwhile in real life most school kids have Chromebooks and phones and rarely ever even visit school libraries except to get their Chromebooks repaired or borrow a loaner. Or to find a quiet place to study online. So this is basically a performative fight from the last century being played out by older people who have never heard of the Streisand Effect. It is a trivial exercise for most kids to pull up and read any banned book they want online.

[GaryK]

They are investigating a formal Title 9 complaint that was made to the Department of Education's Office of Civil Rights. Which is is their duty to do so under the law. We do not yet know what conclusions they will reach and they won't comment until they have concluded, so it seems premature to get wound up about it at this point.

I don't think I'm wound up about it. I simply posted it to show what's happening in this gender confused world we're currently living in.

Yes, some people are trying to employ the law (or create new laws ) in order to censor any LGBT content in public libraries.

And some people oppose such censorship and are using using the law and other tools at their disposal to fight it.

So it goes.

Meanwhile in real life most school kids have Chromebooks and phones and rarely ever even visit school libraries except to get their Chromebooks repaired or borrow a loaner. Or to find a quiet place to study online. So this is basically a performative fight from the last century being played out by older people.

This isn't about public libraries. It's about school libraries.

If all this is just basically a performative fight from the last century by older people and school libraries are seldom used, it seems quite odd that the ACLU and the US Government have such a keen interest in it.

[Ken]

I don't think I'm wound up about it. I simply posted it to show what's happening in this gender confused world we're currently living in.

Yes, some people are trying to employ the law (or create new laws ) in order to censor any LGBT content in public libraries.

And some people oppose such censorship and are using using the law and other tools at their disposal to fight it.

So it goes.

Meanwhile in real life most school kids have Chromebooks and phones and rarely ever even visit school libraries except to get their Chromebooks repaired or borrow a loaner. Or to find a quiet place to study online. So this is basically a performative fight from the last century being played out by older people.

This isn't about public libraries. It's about school libraries.

If all this is just basically a performative fight from the last century by older people and school libraries are seldom used, it seems quite odd that the ACLU and the US Government have such a keen interest in it.

School libraries are public libraries paid for by tax dollars. At least public school libraries are.

The DOJ is just responding to a complaint as they are required to do. The ACLU is a bunch of liberal old people battling against a bunch of conservative old people trying to censor books. None of it is about the kids.

[GaryK]

Yes, some people are trying to employ the law (or create new laws ) in order to censor any LGBT content in public libraries.

And some people oppose such censorship and are using using the law and other tools at their disposal to fight it.

So it goes.

Meanwhile in real life most school kids have Chromebooks and phones and rarely ever even visit school libraries except to get their Chromebooks repaired or borrow a loaner. Or to find a quiet place to study online. So this is basically a performative fight from the last century being played out by older people.

This isn't about public libraries. It's about school libraries.

If all this is just basically a performative fight from the last century by older people and school libraries are seldom used, it seems quite odd that the ACLU and the US Government have such a keen interest in it.

School libraries are public libraries paid for by tax dollars. At least public school libraries are.

The DOJ is just responding to a complaint as they are required to do. The ACLU is a bunch of liberal old people battling against a bunch of conservative old people trying to censor books. None of it is about the kids.

Can you provide links proving your assertions? It was the superintendent that ordered the books removed. That doesn't sound like an old person fight.

[Ken]

This isn't about public libraries. It's about school libraries.

If all this is just basically a performative fight from the last century by older people and school libraries are seldom used, it seems quite odd that the ACLU and the US Government have such a keen interest in it.

School libraries are public libraries paid for by tax dollars. At least public school libraries are.

The DOJ is just responding to a complaint as they are required to do. The ACLU is a bunch of liberal old people battling against a bunch of conservative old people trying to censor books. None of it is about the kids.

Can you provide links proving your assertions? It was the superintendent that ordered the books removed. That doesn't sound like an old person fight.

Old as in not young and not digital natives like Millennials and Gen Y-ers. This superintendent's bio says he has 21 years of teaching and administrative experience plus an education degree, MA, and EdD which would make him about 50 if he went straight through without a break. He should know that kids these days mostly don't get their information from paper books anymore but are more likely to get it on places like Discourse. By taking books out of school libraries he is only going to accelerate that trend. If you don't want kids to get ALL their information online, don't force them to. The audience he is actually playing to is older conservative voters in his school district, not the kids.

[GaryK]

School libraries are public libraries paid for by tax dollars. At least public school libraries are.

The DOJ is just responding to a complaint as they are required to do. The ACLU is a bunch of liberal old people battling against a bunch of conservative old people trying to censor books. None of it is about the kids.

Can you provide links proving your assertions? It was the superintendent that ordered the books removed. That doesn't sound like an old person fight.

Old as in not young and not digital natives like Millennials and Gen Y-ers. This superintendent's bio says he has 21 years of teaching and administrative experience plus an education degree, MA, and EdD which would make him about 50 if he went straight through without a break. He should know that kids these days mostly don't get their information from paper books anymore but are more likely to get it on places like Discourse. By taking books out of school libraries he is only going to accelerate that trend. If you don't want kids to get ALL their information online, don't force them to. The audience he is actually playing to is older conservative voters in his school district, not the kids.

For some reason you seem to be downplaying the fact that this is an unprecedented Federal investigation. Why? Even NBC reported on this back in March. Your nothing to see here responses don't seem to be alignment with what is actually taking place.

[nett]

Can you provide links proving your assertions? It was the superintendent that ordered the books removed. That doesn't sound like an old person fight.

Old as in not young and not digital natives like Millennials and Gen Y-ers. This superintendent's bio says he has 21 years of teaching and administrative experience plus an education degree, MA, and EdD which would make him about 50 if he went straight through without a break. He should know that kids these days mostly don't get their information from paper books anymore but are more likely to get it on places like Discourse. By taking books out of school libraries he is only going to accelerate that trend. If you don't want kids to get ALL their information online, don't force them to. The audience he is actually playing to is older conservative voters in his school district, not the kids.

For some reason you seem to be downplaying the fact that this is an unprecedented Federal investigation. Why? Even NBC reported on this back in March. Your nothing to see here responses don't seem to be alignment with what is actually taking place.

Ken generally downplays anything related to the culture war going on the US. He either doesn't think it's a big deal, or doesn't think it's happening at all.

[Ken]

Can you provide links proving your assertions? It was the superintendent that ordered the books removed. That doesn't sound like an old person fight.

Old as in not young and not digital natives like Millennials and Gen Y-ers. This superintendent's bio says he has 21 years of teaching and administrative experience plus an education degree, MA, and EdD which would make him about 50 if he went straight through without a break. He should know that kids these days mostly don't get their information from paper books anymore but are more likely to get it on places like Discourse. By taking books out of school libraries he is only going to accelerate that trend. If you don't want kids to get ALL their information online, don't force them to. The audience he is actually playing to is older conservative voters in his school district, not the kids.

For some reason you seem to be downplaying the fact that this is an unprecedented Federal investigation. Why? Even NBC reported on this back in March. Your nothing to see here responses don't seem to be alignment with what is actually taking place.

What is unprecedented about it? How many Title 9 investigations do you think the Federal Government conducts in a given year?

As of right now there are 1,939 open Title 9 investigations across the country. So this is just one of 1,939. How is that "unprecedented?"

You can look them all up here: https://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ ... s/tix.html

And those are just the ones related to sexual discrimination which is the basis of this particular complaint. There are thousands more related to ethnicity/racial discrimination and disability discrimination. This is a VERY big country with a LOT of schools. There are about 100,000 k-12 public schools in the US and another 4,000 or so colleges and universities. So that is still a pretty small rate.