Excessive violence in schools

[Grace]

A report to add details to above:

“DeSantis haters twist AP fact check on menstrual cycle claim to dishonestly smear popular governor”
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2023/02/05 ... r-1330436/

Thanks for that clarification, Temp.

[Ken]

A report to add details to above:

“DeSantis haters twist AP fact check on menstrual cycle claim to dishonestly smear popular governor”
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2023/02/05 ... r-1330436/

Thanks for that clarification, Temp.

The original article I posted was, in fact, accurate and that article linked to by Temp is trying to deflect what is happening.

No, DeSantis isn't personally doing all these things. Government doesn't work like that. He appoints people and delegates. The Florida Education Commissioner is a DeSantis appointee and loyalist. His name is Manny Diaz. Look him up. And a majority of the Florida Education commission were appointed by him directly. So it is entirely accurate to say that it is the DeSantis Administration that is doing these things. It is his appointees whom he put into place. They answer to him. He put them there and he can replace them if he wants.

Second, the question is not whether menstrual information is collected when athletic physicals are conducted. My wife is a doctor and does hundreds of these. In fact during the start of the school year she volunteers to go down to the school in August with other doctors and do dozens and dozens of them for all the kids who don't have private doctors to do them separately. They set up a whole assembly line in August and do them for free.

The standard athletic physical form used by many states does ask about menstrual information from female students. Along with a whole bunch of additional information. Anyone who has ever had a physical knows there are pages of boxes that you check and information that you fill out. However in all other states this detailed medical information is treated as confidential and kept by the doctor's office and all that goes back to the school is a simple medical clearance form that clears that student to participate in athletics. I'll have to ask my wife, but I think what happens is that the doctor signs the bottom page which is the medical clearance form and tears it off and hands it to the kid to take back to the school athletic office while all the actual confidential medical information is kept with the student's confidential medical file and not given to the school. In fact, this is the actual form used in Washington. It is three parts. The first part is the questionnaire the student fills out. The second part is the medical physical that the doctor fills out. The third part is the clearance form which is the only thing the school district gets back to clear the student to participate in athletics: https://camas.wednet.edu/schools/chs/wp ... n-Form.pdf

What Florida wants to do is have this more detailed and confidential medical information from the student questionnaire put into electronic format and put into a statewide database that will apparently be accessible by coaches, administrators, and all manner of other state education employees and because it would be maintained by outside contractors it would not be subject to HIPAA. In other words, they would not need your permission to look at it. And oddly they only want to do it for menstrual information and nothing else like say history of heart conditions. Under HIPAA, my wife, who is a doctor, is legally prohibited from even opening the medical file of any patient served by her clinic who is not her actual patent. She can get fired for that and, in fact, nurses have been fired for that very thing. The only time she can look into anyone else's medical file is if she gets a direct referral from another doctor with a question. So to put this information into a statewide database that is accessible by coaches, administrators, and all manner of other people is an egregious violation of medical confidentiality.

So yes, while questions about a student's menstrual cycle are part of the standard athletic physical in all states. It is only Florida that is seeking to take this private information out of the hands of doctors and make it available in a statewide database. For purposes that they seem unwilling to actually articulate. Since the excuse that they gave (that coaches need this information to treat injuries) is patently ludicrous.

[Josh]

Ken,

You do know the AP fact checked this as “False”?

[Ken]

Ken,

You do know the AP fact checked this as “False”?

The AP article correctly noted that Florida is recommending that they switch to a digital physical exam form rather than the older paper form and making submission of that information voluntary. While they are considering whether to make submission of the information mandatory.

So according to the AP, what we know to be true is the following

1. Florida wants to switch from paper physical exam forms used by most states (that stay with doctor's offices) to digital forms
2. They want students to voluntarily submit the digital information to the state including female student's private menstrual information (as opposed to simply their physician)
3. They are considering making it a mandatory requirement in order to play
4. They cannot explain (or refuse to explain) why they really want this information.

This is all pretty off the topic from school violence. But it is certainly an example of how Florida at the state level is continuing to encroach on local educational policy. And lends support to the argument that if the state of Florida under DeSantis is wants to monitor the menstrual information of student athletes then they can certainly be monitoring and addressing school violence as well. Which leads back to your original question: What are "we" doing about school violence. If school violence is, indeed, a growing problem in Florida then we can lay that right at DeSantis' doorstep.

[Josh]

This is all pretty off the topic from school violence.

It certainly is. I brought up the topic of a pupil, a 9 year old girl, who was abused by a 14 year old male. The school district knew about it and did nothing. The school district is controlled by Democratic elected officials, as is the city itself.

But it is certainly an example of how Florida at the state level is continuing to encroach on local educational policy.

I remain confused. What are you saying here?

And lends support to the argument that if the state of Florida under DeSantis is wants to monitor the menstrual information of student athletes then they can certainly be monitoring and addressing school violence as well. Which leads back to your original question: What are "we" doing about school violence. If school violence is, indeed, a growing problem in Florida then we can lay that right at DeSantis' doorstep.

Are you saying the solution is for DeSantis to have his state government take over Miami-Dade Public Schools?

As far as "we", I was looking for non-governmental solutions. I think there is always an alternative to violence. For this particular family, I think having private Christian schools available would be a very good thing, and operating them in such a way that there is not racialised violence and hate crimes happening on the school bus to and from school.

[temporal1]

Josh,
I was looking for non-governmental solutions.

i’m confident you’re aware, this is a mysterious incomprehensible foreign language to lots of folks these days.
Speaking of tongues/gibberish?!

[Ken]

As far as "we", I was looking for non-governmental solutions. I think there is always an alternative to violence. For this particular family, I think having private Christian schools available would be a very good thing, and operating them in such a way that there is not racialised violence and hate crimes happening on the school bus to and from school.

So your answer isn't to try to solve the problem of violence in public schools. It is to simply abandon them.

Which isn't actually solving the problem. It is running from it.

[Josh]

As far as "we", I was looking for non-governmental solutions. I think there is always an alternative to violence. For this particular family, I think having private Christian schools available would be a very good thing, and operating them in such a way that there is not racialised violence and hate crimes happening on the school bus to and from school.

So your answer isn't to try to solve the problem of violence in public schools. It is to simply abandon them.

Which isn't actually solving the problem. It is running from it.

I don't have any control over the government. Fixing government is not something I can do.

The public school itself told the parents to go to another school. That is what the government's representatives told this family.

[Ken]

As far as "we", I was looking for non-governmental solutions. I think there is always an alternative to violence. For this particular family, I think having private Christian schools available would be a very good thing, and operating them in such a way that there is not racialised violence and hate crimes happening on the school bus to and from school.

So your answer isn't to try to solve the problem of violence in public schools. It is to simply abandon them.

Which isn't actually solving the problem. It is running from it.

I don't have any control over the government. Fixing government is not something I can do.

The public school itself told the parents to go to another school. That is what the government's representatives told this family.

Running away from problems is an answer. And it is an easy answer. Is that the same answer you use for everything else in society that you find problematic? Abortion, LGBT rights, pollution, pandemics, and everything else discussed here? Just run away?

[Josh]

Running away from problems is an answer. And it is an easy answer. Is that the same answer you use for everything else in society that you find problematic? Abortion, LGBT rights, pollution, pandemics, and everything else discussed here? Just run away?

Run away from problems?

If a child is being beaten up on a school bus, and asking the school district to help, and they refuse, what do you propose parents do? Just keep sending their child to be beaten and abused?

Absolutely fleeing is sometimes the right answer.

Abortion, LGBT rights, pollution, pandemics, and everything else discussed here? Just run away?

I'm not quite sure what you're saying here.

Abortion is murdering an innocent baby, a tiny child. It's not something we should "run" from. At the same time, I am not willing to pick up a gun and use force (whether as part of organised government or otherwise) to force a murderer to stop his murdering.

Homosexuality is a grave sin in the eyes of God, and one that often ruins a young child's life. The Bible is very clear about that. But again, I am not willing to pick up a gun and use force. God's law is clear:

Though they know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

I do think it is quite reasonable to "run away" and hide my children from sexual predators.

Pollution? Again, I'm not willing to use force. Sometimes it may indeed be best to simply avoid a polluted place. And to take care not to pollute one's self.

Pandemics? I am quite against lockdowns, hiding in fear, and so on. (At one point I was more open to these things.) The answer to illness and sickness is not to cower in fear but to trust in God.

Violent public schools? Well, I'm not on a school board. I'm not a government official. I have no power or control over public schools.

I think doing what we can to provide children who are in danger of being abused a safe place to be educated is a very good thing. I will stand by, quite strongly, what I said earlier that providing a good, private Christian school is an excellent thing to do.